George G

I've played "Today" when I'm DJ'ing a more funk/open musically night....went down OK. If you really want them, I can probably dig up the Bucs 45s for you for (really) cheap....there were loads of them around and I had 10+ of each one and they didn't exactly fly out the door. There was a record store called Seligmans' in Toledo that was 'going out of business' for years and they must have had 100 of each record. I was mostly buying rock and garage at the time, but I would have bought/remembered other local records had they had them.

For anyone who is reading, the rare side is a lame (not so) funky instrumental. The three songs were recorded at the same time. If you want to complete their discography, there's two 45s from when they were called the Buccaneers. One is blues-rock, the other is pop. They were trying to be an every occasion band before their time!

Probably in the $125-$150 range for a nice copy. There's two releases, one side being the same. I'd have to look at the records to remember. They were actually a rock /R&B band from Toledo and the original incarnation (as the Buccaneers) started in the early 60s. I think the band name (with many different musicians) has continued to play since then. They are also the East River Drive that had a 45 on Mainstream in 1970 (again, some different members), they took that name from a street in NYC when they recorded the Mainstream 45.

Thanks Phil

I think there were some M- copies of this in Finch's mess which was tapped into when he was critically ill (and died soon after). I've definitely seen nice copies sell in that $300-$400 ballpark. I only paid $100-ish for a good playing VG/VG+ copy on eBay. Maybe you're thinking of the Five Chances record "Stranger I Love You" which is significantly rarer (in decent shape).

One of the things I don't get is that he says 15,000 records and then there's 1500 blues, doowop, rockabilly, northern soul.....so 13,500 are generic crap? And yes, a beat Flamingos on Parrot, their least valuable one, is probably his prize. I see a Rojac 45 label in one of the pics...Third Guitar?

Yeah, the records he shows are nothing, in scheme of 50 years of collecting. They were probably worth more 15 years ago. I assume he had fun along the way which is the whole point. If you're collecting records to sell when you get old, then you're in the wrong game. You're supposed to enjoy it in the moments as it happens.

Phil, thanks for the info on the Tradewinds, I'll probably keep it at that price. - George

Yep, the seller is a friend. There was a thread on here about how that was unrealistic...so I'd like a current idea. I get the feeling both these records are not in favor.....

Hello all, I would like some price help on these records since two of them have little/no recent sales history that I can find Limelights - Don't Leave Me Baby (Uncle) Tradewinds - Price of love (Tradewinds) Thanks! George

yep, white garage band, a lot of 60s garage collectors have one (provided they like the pop side of garage). I've found and dumped several beat copies of this. Even by low standard of styrene Richmond pressings (Mercury's contract pressing plant in Richmond, Indiana) a lot of these records sound awful. If the 'acetate' (which I listened to and realized it was the RFB 45) was a clean cut, probably it was worth getting.

Two records for sale, prices in US $, grading by US/Goldmine standardspayment by Paypal as gift. Standard airmail postage included in cost, please email - buckeyebeat@hotmail.com to request sound files, order or ask questions. I get errors when I try to post the files here. Terry Callier - Look At Me Now - Cadet 5623 demo - in nice VG to VG+ shape, plays fine, has a very slight slow warp - $330 Ruby Sherry - Feminine Ingenuity - Take 6 yellow issue - VG, plays fine with an audible pop or two - $300 I will try to respond ASAP but I am on US west coast time...thanks

Majestics - I Love Her So Much (It Hurts Me) - Yellow Linda label, Demo/promo copy M- condition, looks like it was new unplayed stock, plays like new, not DJ'ed or used. No label markings or wear. $430 (thats US dollars) - paypal as gift. Standard airmail postage to UK included (free ship to US as well). send me a PM or email - buckeyebeat@hotmail.com thanks George

This is a huge want of mine, if anyone wants to sell it So, I do have a useful contribution to this thread....I asked a while back if it was possible to tell the different versions from label/deadwax info, and never got a definite answer. I think the conclusion was there's no explicit difference on the records ?

Bob, There are a decent amount of Armenians in New England. I vaguely remember a big R&B collector from there named George Moonigian (sp?). Barry Tashian (of the Remains and many other recordings) is the best musician of Armenian ancestry that I know about. There's an LP by a group of older teens that attended a camp for kids of Armenian ancestry called the Hye Stars. I think it's all rock though. I think the band members were from the Chicago area. - George

Rick, Yes, Rack Jobbers were responsible for setting up and maintaining record sales bins, or racks, in non-record shops, such as department and drug stores. Most of them dealt with new product though. Essentially stores would 'outsource' the operation of their record departments to them. Most RJs carried a very wide but not deep inventory of high charting records. I don't think they would have been sitting on a lot of unsold rare records. - George

This is one of the reasons why I haven't bothered to see the movie. It would have been a lot of fun for me if they had really tried to use details that matched 1970s Cleveland - I could have had a 100 minute time travel experience. But...seeing that it was a standard US movie production, that won't be the case. I think of the cool songs they could have used like Imperial Wonders "You Live Only Once", Jesse Fisher "You're Not Loving a Beginner", Sly Slick and Wicked "Sho'Nuff"....songs by Cleveland artists that got played a lot on radio - hell, even something by the Raspberries. Or use old radio ads for long gone businesses like Cleveland Trust bank....Uncle Bills, Gold Circle, or Giant Tiger stores.... A lot of the movie was shot in Detroit, which bothered some Clevelanders, but OTOH they seemed to enjoy that Detroit is even more of a craphole than Cleveland so it was easier to recreate the 1970s rust belt Cleveland neighborhoods there.

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Some random comments - Vinyl for records was in the form of an ice hockey puck, which is how it got the term. There were different grades avaliable and naturally the cost increased as they got better, probably the amount of 'regrind' was less in the better pieces - and that's the source of the term 'virgin vinyl'. Someone who had worked at a plant explained to me how they would 'pre heat' the pucks to apparently improve the pressing process. There was a lot of tribal knowledge and experience in pressing. I recently got to see a master acetate/lacquer cut for an LP - the person who did it had 40 years of experience and the equipment he used goes back 50+ years. It was observing a (nearly) lost art, completely fascinating to watch and ask questions about how it's done. Getting back to distributors - in Cleveland there were a few major players, one of them Seaway and the other Main Line. The Main Line distributor in Cleveland was partially owned by RCA but they handled many different labels. They also handled appliances and appliance parts - the name Main Line representing that they covered the 'main line' aka best/most popular brands. So...here's the punchline(s) with regards to Northern Soul - this is the same operation that ran the Main Line record label that released the Bob Collins and Fabulous Five record. The logo on the label is the same used by the Main Line business overall. The label had some money and (distant) backing by RCA. They had enough clout to hire legendary arranger Dale Warren to overdub on a record by a local Cleveland band, the Selective Service...as well as hire Gordon Neal, the guy behind the Prime record label (David Thomas, Beau Dollar) and the Stone Blue label (Herman Griffin) to produce the 45 (recorded at Cleveland Recording). One of the biggest distributors in the US must have been All State from Chicago. I've seen their stickers on many records, including some pretty obscure local releases. I wonder what ever happened to their stock? Back in the 1970s, even late 1960s, the original dealer/collectors of the rock-n-roll era could easily track down distributors, even closed ones (sometimes those were the best) by going through old versions of the Billboard yearly directory of record operations. Even in the 1980s myself and some other collectors 'got lucky' using this process. I never actually got into a closed warehouse but I did get to go through stock. Good times!

That's a silly move! Pretty good song but completely out of place. I haven't seem the movie either but I lived in Cleveland during the time and I remember Danny Greene's death and the various bombings that preceeded it like they happened last month. The Kool Blues had no connection to Cleveland's mob culture depicted in the movie. Kinda like a Black Panthers movie with Frank Sinatra and the "Lord of the Dance" music for a soundtrack.

Dave, some good comments that need to discussed further. Generally the majors have always lagged behind musical trends, that's just the nature of corporations. Regarding cutouts/discarded records, there were millions that were sold on the secondary cutout market. Companies would buy up unwanted stock for pennies per record (back in the 1960s, a 45 would cost about 70 cents or so, an LP $3 to $4) and resell it in several ways.....the standard record store cutouts, to non-standard record markets like discount stores, and to mail order operations that sold 'oldies'. In the late 1960s when I first started buying records it was not usual to walk into a discount department shop (such as Woolworths) and see shopping carts full of 45s selling for 5-10 cents. I of course had no idea what the stuff was (I was 9-10 years old) but I can recall 100s of stock label 45s on Columbia, Mercury, Roulette, etc. These records were also sold in packs of 3 to 15 or so, packaged in containers labelled as 'Hits U Missed' or such. They included records that were hits but the occasional major label oddball. You can occasionally see unopened packs on eBay. These were available into the early 1980s (the packs....the shopping carts were long gone). I even remember seeing the packs as prizes for carnival games! - George

Thanks, you're very welcome, I love talking about this stuff. The Billboard and other industry charts were based on a sampling of key stations/stores/distributors and calculated using a formula that was probably drawn up on a cocktail napkin. They certainly didn't get feedback from every station in the country. I'm guessing there was probably something like 50-100 sources of data they used to draw up the chart. Also, these sources didn't name 100 records in order, just their top 30 or so, and the 100 came from the acculation of all the data. It could have been done by phone or mail. Maybe by telegram. During the 1970s and 80s in the US we had a show that was aired on radio stations called "American Top 40" and hosted by Casey Kasem where he would count down the top 40 records as listed in the previous week's Billboard. He would occasionally drop some info on how the chart was derived.

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