George G

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Hustlers is a Cleveland record, white group, and not rare at all. I saw three copies, two of them for sale in my visit there last week. It's sold for $50 or less many times. There is a much rarer funk record by the Hustlers 1970, no relation, also on an orange label from Ohio.

There are two regular soul nights in Portland. One is more for the US hard R&B/funk market, the other (in Vancouver, WA across the river) caters to the scooter/mod types. I don't have a schedule for them, sorry. Check the Willamette Week paper for info on local events. If you are there for the second or last Saturday of the month, we have big soul dance nights in Seattle, a three hour drive to the north. As far as stores go, Crossroads music and the Vinyl Resting Place occasionally get interesting records in, the LPs are a little better chance than the 45s. There are some other used stores like Everyday Music that have less chance of something turning up.

I think the second one might be Gary Puckett. Deffo sounds right up his alley. I also thought of Mark Lindsay.

Since I got a 'popular' star - the first one I probably received, thanks! - here's a playlist as I mentioned for one of our Seattle soul nights Louis Paul - the change would do you good Hollywood Flames - dance senorita Inmates - this is the day Arter Set - sermon Mike Mann Outfit - twice as much on sunday Gwen and Ray - build your house on a strong foundation Marlene and the Debanettes - earthquake Dave Brady and Stars - riding high Servicemen - sweet magic Gloria and T-airas - i'm satisfied Lou Ragland - I travel alone Rotations - trying to make you my own Pat Powdrill - do it Youngblood Smith - you can split Temptones - girl I love you Carl Holmes - soul dance no 3 R Dean Taylor - ghost in the house Fred and the Turbins - Bernadine Harvey Averne Dozen - never learned to dance Action - i'll keep holding on Willie Kendrick - change your ways Dave Charles - ain't gonna cry no more Clarence Reid - i'm your yes man Bill Bush - I'm waiting Gentlemen Four - you can't keep a good man down Ray Scott - right now Dynamics - i need your love all originals including the Action on a UK Parlophone 45... There are two other dance nights in Seattle, one that is mainly funk and boogie/modern (OVO) called Dug and it's very popular as well and one that is a mix of top 40 hits and some obscuties, this one is not OVO but it's still a good gateway into the other dance nights as some of the DJs from the aforementioned events including me play guest slots there. Portland, OR has a sucessful and long running soul night that is more in the style of US east coast night where hard soul, funk, R&B are more prominent than Northern.

The 'crossover' one sounds like a generic early 70s pop record. It could pass for a Bobby Sherman demo (it's not him but the range and key would be a match for him) - or other pop acts of time. Too pop for Three Dog Night or a more rock oriented hitmaker. Sorry, there aint no soul in them old grooves.

Some info on another US city https://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/2012/08/hipshaker_10th_anniversary_interview.php

sent you a PM about Callier yesterday.

Most major cities in the US have soul nights. The size and stability vary alot. Here in Seattle the Emerald City Soul Club will have a 7th anniversay weekender the second weekend in November. The ECSC has two dance nights per month in different locations with a somewhat different vibe. The nights run 9PM-2AM local time, as alcoholic drinks are not allowed to be sold after 2AM and by local rules clubs close at 2AM. For the weekender we have a special dispensation to run later without drinking. The nights here average about 350/month with the winter months often having much larger crowds, 500+ sometimes. We are OVO but mix in a few recent records (Kings Go Forth, Eli Paperboy Reed). I'd say 95% of the crowd is under 40. Of course, there is no tradition for older folks to have been in. I will post my recent (last Saturday) playlist later. The sound is generally Northern. The big beat/ballad sound does not go over well, uptempo with leans toward funky and well programmed modern is the general sound. The crowd here is not really interested in showoff rarities and there is none of what you would call chin-strokers or people running to spy on the decks. The crowd is really fun and people love to dance and hear good records. I'll let other folks weigh in on their events, but ECSC is one of the largest and higher profile nights in the US.

Salem Oregon and the answer is no. There is a couple things, Prince Charles and the Crusaders and something else (forget the artist, its a persons name, not a group), that are acceptable for the mod dance crowd and could be called blue eyed soul. There are a lot of good heavier garage and psych records though, plus some 60s pop rock and country. What led you to ask about this label?

What is an acceptable grade for you? I have one or two of these in lesser but playable shape

There's something off about this deal. It would be nice to have a direct contact with the would be archiver. If it is was it is - the collector seems more like Howard Hughes or Charles Foster Kane than John Manship. So someone wants to preserve records? How - in some 2 square mile underground bunker? Is anyone going to have access to them? If so, what terms? And the above comment about Mawhinney having 95% of 50s - 60% music is of course complete crap. Maybe stuff on major labels or chart artists. His 'rare LPs' were hardly earth shattering. A far cry from L..... in Detroit selling his LP collection - now that was a hell of a set.....

This was never released back in the day. only available on a retrospective comp. https://www.scottmorganmusic.com/scott_rationals.html/

The listing I posted mentions this article. A lot of details here. https://issuu.com/showcasemagazine/docs/jan_12_rave_web/41

There was a small quantity of Gwen and Ray found about 18 months ago. There were absolutely originals, I'd bet this one was as it is from the groups locale in the Baltimore area. I could never understand if this record is truely rare as there does not seem to be much buzz about it nor does it sell for much when offered. I bought one from the find, it sounds just fine for a relatively crude recording and low level mastering. I love the record and so do the people in Seattle when I play it out.

Weird. I still see this record around here in the US, I would have priced it at $25!

Raven was the house label for the House Of Sound recording studio in Danville, VA. Choptank music is the house publishing. There are several dozen 45s on Raven but there are a few that use the numbering sequence with a different label : https://www.ebay.com/...#ht_1120wt_1142 In addition to the Soulmasters (a salt and pepper group I believe) and the Lost Soul (blue eyed soul) Gene and the Teambeats have a couple beach/blue eyed soul 45s on Raven. There is one or a couple black gospel records and a few garage 45s (including the above). I think the bulk of Raven 45s are country. I started a discography years ago but I probably discarded the info. I think the Lost Soul were from the Bluefield, West Virginia area which is on the WV / VA border. A couple members played in a 70s band (I forgot the name) that released a fairly collectable private label rock LP. The bass player in both bands was selling LS 45s and the LP on eBay several years ago.

I'd guess the group listed in the 1968 Balto show is most likely to be the Charlie Daniels band - or a completely different non recorded output. They were based in that area and played a rock/soul mix sound (despite what CD turned out to be later). They had a fair amount in common with the Bad Boys on Paula (and Jewel under a different name). The Jaguars on Faro is from 1962?

Jonah's Whale were from Tacoma, in fact. Don't tell a Tacoma group they were from Seattle, it's a real sore point with them! The record you mention is scarce, they have another 45 on a different label. I dunno what you mean by going rate but some of the local records (Priceless and Push, both bland generic records to my ears - but slick disco era recordings ain't my thing) were WAY inflated but the price on these and Seattle Pure Dynomite have come back to earth. All those records are still findable. The blue label Cold Bold and Together is also hard to find and in big demand right now.

This is the Charlie Daniels Jaguars. I dunno if Daniels is known in the UK but he became popular in the US playing country-rock. They had 2 or 3 45s on Epic and recorded on other labels.

I haven't read the whole thread but as a Seattle resident, if that counts for anything, I am in some agreement about Patrinell Staten. I think her singing is fine but the song is mediocre and there's really no thought to arrangement and sense of feeling by the musicians, as expected as the recording was a thrown together session by players who were a long way from the Funk Brothers. In general the whole Wheedles Groove deal has been played out way beyond expiration date, most of the soul/funk records from here are mediocre at best.

Different Jaguars.....2000 miles east.

I would like to date a 39-28-45 There are many recorded bands called the Jaguars as you all probably know. The one most likely to be confused with the group under discussion here were from the Bay Area and had a 45 on Dot originally released on a local label with a pic sleeve (band wearing animal pattern print outfits!). I don't remember if the local label was blue or some other color, I do think it was a Monarch related pressing.

In case you don't know, this is him singing over the same track as the original Count Five recording. There is an overdubbed organ also. Sounds like he was not even listening to the backing track when he was singing.

Carl Pellegrino (is he on here?) would be the guy to ask first. I have the Strange Fate 45, it's pretty good, it's moderately rare and not that expensive. I think the Future record had some exposure on the Euro "mod" scene, it's one of those records that's not really soul or garage. I've had chances to buy it but did not. I think it's funny that someone from Detroit had to create a "car" label, although by acronym. They should have been more creative with the logo though.