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They are the Supremes of Columbus, OH - a male group that started in the doowop era. It was a demo cut by them with a female singer. I think the singer has been discovered, but I don't remember who. The Supremes recorded the same song c. 1974 and it came out on a locally issued 45, thanks to a local Columbus musician/archivist. The 45 has a full band and is faster/slicker. I guess someone already answered almost at the same time

All, Could someone provide the dead wax info (TM- or any other numbers) for the SHORT/CUT INTRO version of Romona Collins - You've been Cheating on Clarks? Also for the other side. PM is fine. Many TIA George

Somewhere online there was a discussion and listing of tax scam LPs, I think it was on or connected to Patrick Lundborg's site (the primary author of the Acid Archives book). The AA books also lists tax scam LPs but from rock/psych angle. Also, look for Steve Drake/Kaczorosky(sp?) for a truly bizarre and entertaining story about a tax scam 'performer'. 45s are a rarity though. I don't think the above info has much mention of them. Nearly 30 years ago I encountered a store/warehouse in New Hampshire that was loaded with the stuff. At the time there was little knowledge or interest so I left it. Oh well...

For sale: Al McCarther - His True Love For You / In This Room - Two Guitars T-900 This is the original with the plain Two Guitars label, horizontal lines, stamped S4KM- 8996 - 1B Super clean, M- with a couple of barely visible lines from moving in the sleeve, plays loud and clean as tested on my Goldring 1006, Label is clean as well with only a very slight wear on the b side label. $660, paypal as gift, postage added (I live in the US) Late Christmas / Boxing Day present for the beat ballad connoisseur! PM or email buckeyebeat@hotmail.com

I'm pretty sure I've talked about this before...vanity recording is not meant to be derogatory as vanity is commonly used. Back in the 1960s, most decent sized cities had recording studios where for a flat rate, you could record anything you wanted, and arrange to have the recordings made into a record. So if a person could scrape together the money, they could make a record. The people at the studio would pretty much let you record what you want, only giving help in terms of miking, setting amp levels, etc. A lot of garage bands were playing music that was not especially liked by the older generation who ran the studios but they put up with it as they were simply running a business and the teenagers were one of the main customer bases. So, for a price of $300 or so you could spend 2 hours recording, have the studio send the tape (or acetate) to a pressing plant* and have 300 or 500 records made. *some studios had their own pressing plants as part of the operation - but this was the exception, not the norm The label on the record could be a generic name for the studio, or a name selected by the client. A client selected name would likely be a one - off name that was for their record to be never used again. These one off label names are more common for garage and country records than soul records. Many of the names represent something like peoples initials, places they lived, etc. Records with these one off label names are not to be considered 'record labels'. There's a lot of web sites that have a misguided concept on what a 'record label' is and how they are to be documented, listing numerous single entry 'record labels' that never existed except written on a pressing order sheet. There are also records that were home recorded and where the artists sent their self recorded tape to a pressing plant without any third party. The records I've described are what I consider 'vanity records'. A good example that explains this is the Shaddows 45 on United Audio. They were a self contained band, mostly students at Harding High School in Warren, Ohio. A man they knew with some cash put up money to finance a recording. The band went to United Audio recording studio in Youngstown and recorded the two songs. The studio arranged the pressing at QCA in Cincinnati and a few weeks after they recorded the songs, the band was sent the 500 or 1000 copies of the record directly. They sold record at a couple local record stores on consignment, their live dances, and at their school(s). The record had the United Audio label that was used by any of the clients who recorded at the studio - including garage bands, gospel, country, pop crooners, polka bands, etc. The records were never sent to distributors or radio stations (except for a couple local stations that had the records hand delivered by the band). Anyways, I've written myself tired. Hope this helps

I don't understand what is meant by 'manufactured record'.....could someone explain? thanks

The yearbook quotes are a lot more entertaining than some dork writing "dropping deep heat funk bombs on y'all"

The band in the pics are a different group, from a Dayton suburb. The song on the LP is their only recording

2. No, Union City IN is what I'm told 3. 1968/9 4. No...some pressed at QCA (vinyl). Vondells are all styrene though, pressed at Richmond IN (Mercury records contract pressing plant) 5. Yes https://www.buckeyebe...om/airtown.html Airtown custom was for acts not promoted by Tommy Wills and Airtown for their jukebox business. Wills' main objective was making records for jukeboxes, covering hits of the day, standards, etc. Since he ran a recording operation (he was not the studio engineer though) artists would walk in wanting to use the studio. Those acts were on the 'custom' label.

Is this confirmed or just speculation? I have this record, its female funk, sounds 1970-ish. Another record I've had for probably 30 years.

I have no idea. The David Lasley from the Utopias has a high voice, but not falsetto. You can probably find his story on the WWW and song clips on Youtube to confirm.

David Lasley from the Utopias and 100s of record appearances - I think he's recorded some stuff with pretty obvious gay theme, although I don't know how 'soul' he is considered despite his group cutting a legendary rare northern soul record.

This looks like a custom job from Arthur Smith studios in Charlotte. I don't have any proof but I'll bet my 33 years of experience on it. All the AS custom jobs have a similar layout and pressed through Kaybank.

I don't know anything about the Lyrics but there's two really good garage records on the JWJ label by the Mixed Emotions from the Findlay, OH area. Having found some Lyrics 45s over the years cheap (including the one you mention) do you or anyone know their story? I don't remember exactly how the ME bypassed Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago to record up there - on two different occasions - but I think the manager knew someone. The studio was on site. It was not a vanity label, I think they actively recruited artists.

Apologies if someone has mentioned this, but the El Corols on Rouser is an edited (at the beginning) version of a previously released song, as the Tiny label is confirmed to be first. So there is a precedent of Rouser editing a released recording. Doesn't prove anything though.

Am I the only person here who was a teenager/young adult in the US during the disco era? In other words, target demographic. The point of disco that separates it from the type of dance records that preceded it was the mixing and continuous beat that was set up by the DJs. Mixing beats was not new.....square dancing had been doing this for years including noting the tempo on the records. 1974 was the "Hustle" in song and dance move, the Hustle was one of the cornerstone disco dances. 1974 into 1975 disco was still an underground subscene in most areas of the US. Around this time, what became probably the three biggest 'disco' artists in the US came out with their first recordings in the style - the Bee Gees, Donna Summer, and KC and the Sunshine Band. Disco dancing was a primarily a partner dance but could also involve line dancing. Most of my vague memories in going to 'discos' was seeing partners dancing to very specific dances. By 1977 disco had gone mainstream and it got a major boost with the "Saturday Night Fever" movie and soundtrack, these songs were heard constantly for what seemed to be a year into 1978. 1978 will be the year that rock went 'disco' with huge disco influenced hits by the Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, Blondie (although that may have been into 1979), and others. This of course meant that it had peaked and was heading into decline, which it did. By 1980 disco was pretty much over as a popular culture phenomenon. The word was a perjorative, a casualty of massive overindulgence. Hip clubs were playing 'Rappers Delight' and a new style started to take over. The scene fractured into subcultures of rap and breaks, (proto) house (keeping the continuous beat idea), 'new wave' danceable rock, etc. To me, it's impossible to seperate disco music from the disco culture. The (relatively) fast rise and fall were due to many factors, IMO - the US was stagnant, hung over from the Vietnam war, Watergate, ecomonic turnmoil, and people were looking for something fresh and escapist. For many people - a little too escapist, drugs (cocaine, etc) playing a large part in the scene. Disco was also integrationist in culture - not only racially, but also in that a strong gay subculture was emerging for the first time at would be 'straight' clubs. The fall came about through overexposure and the inherent hedonistic element in the scene. Clubs that were featuring live bands decided to rid themselves of the headaches of dealing with musicians and went disco like crazy during the 1977 boom. There was a bit of malevolence in this, as I said clubs saw a way of avoiding dealing with rock musicians who wanted a lot of money and were often coked up and/or luded out themselves. So, they booted the bands and built the elevated backlit floors. There was also the matter of punk rock coming out during the same time. Of course, many of these clubs were closed or moving on to the next thing (urban cowboy with bucking bronco machine, anyone?) in a couple years. Far too many issues with underage patrons (mostly girls....the illegal admittance of teenage girls was common at the time, fake IDs were easy to get - I had one at 17 that said I was 23!), drugs, sex (often while severly drunk or stoned), etc....all the usual suspects. As far as the music goes - that's up to us to enjoy or not as we wish in retrospect since there's no Studio 54 to get the first hand experience. There's good records and bad. Cash in stuff like "In the Bush" and "More More More" are garbage. Donna Summer and KC and the Sunshine Band sound pretty good in hindsight. A lot of older soul acts had to adapt. It would be interesting to see what they had to say about changing their production styles. I think there are clear differences between 'disco' records and soul records that are disco influenced, but I don't care to have an argument about it. Anyways, thats my 10 minutes about disco in the US.

There's a few shows posted on Youtube. None of them seem to be the show in question. I don't know how many of the shows (a weekly show that ran for a few years) survives. Sounds like a question for the Soulful Detroit forum as the show was produced there. I don't think it was syndicated/broadcast on other stations.

There was a handwritten list of records with prices that was being circulated in the mid 1980s here. There were three sections to it, I think, probably new additions. Based on the presentation it was probably started in the late 1970s and added on. Also, someone was publishing a want list in Goldmine, a full page, circa 1981. I don't remember if that was priced. I have two original Shifty binders, I think they included edition letter/numbers. One had a rather strange introduction page to NS that he wisely deleted from the later edition, assuming correctly that it would put people in the US off.....

I recenlty paid less than that for an original promo (on ebay). Good to know it's in the upcoming film.

Thanks for answering. I still am not sure if in general 'remastered' is used to describe boots/pressings. Also on the original 45 the silver appears much shinier than on the boots. Not something I would want to gamble on in a dark room. I listened to the clip vs original in detail and even with my copy having lost some high end brightness to play wear it still sounds better.

The ones you list are differerent groups. There was a Caesar and the Romans (no Little) from the Buffalo area who had several 45s. Little Caesar and the Empire on Parkway were a pseudonym for Bocky and the Visions from Cleveland (I discussed this on here before). The Romans group were from LA. The Cousuls were from Canada. The Euterpians were from eastern TN I think.

Clearly this is not the original....but the info says 'remastered' - is this a legit better sounding release or just a new euphemism for pressing or boot? I know I can listen to the sound clip but it's hard to tell if different when listening on a computer vs my original copy which has some wear. https://www.ebay.com/itm/JIMMIE-RAYE-Philly-Dog-Around-The-World-KKC-Records-002-Northern-Soul-45-Listen-/110974909973?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19d69ebe15#ht_4580wt_1003

Huh, I guess this is still the original 'mod' version and not the SAHB harder rock version that was on the "Framed" LP. Man, I remember when one the rock bands in my junior high school did this song as part of a school 'battle of the bands', 1974.....

There's plenty of records like this in the US, sure, the number goes down with time but they turn up. I find maybe 5-6 records like this a year for cheap (relatively). Sometimes I get inexplicable prices like $50 for Johnny Caswell on Decca (why $50? you would think it would be $400 or $5). I don't really try that hard, if I really had the time or interest I'm sure I could find more. Regarding Lou Ragland, I've known a few people that have found one in a junk shop or whatever. Not nearly as many as RCA label 45s though. I got a copy for 50 cents probably 25 years ago and have missed a couple since then.

Sorry, I should have said every six months or so. Two times here, two times on ebay (this being the second) in the past 12-13 months. The previous one on ebay was sold on consignment by a guy in Portland who's a total malt shop grandpa. All he could say was how much he could not understand why anyone would want it