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  1. Ian Dewhirst
    It'd be worth researching to see what kind of promo runs were being done by the majors between 1965 to 1975. You know, try and find an ex promo guy from that period who knows his stuff. Generally, promo runs are decided by the key promotion personnel at the time and the majors knew they had a competitive advantage simply by dint of their size, clout in the market and national distribution capability. Plus, some companies were run more effectively then others in terms of controlling promotional expenses. As an example, the most successful U.S. majors from '65 to '75 were Columbia and Warners who were constantly breaking new million-selling acts, whilst the least successful US majors were probably RCA and EMI, who couldn't break new acts to save their lives, but had a safety net with heritage acts like Elvis, the Beatles and the Beach Boys from pre '65 but which still sold in their millions. Corporate strategy is another key factor. Warners and Columbia were scoring with rock and pop acts and had operations which were untouchable in those markets, EMI, I think, were strong in back catalogue and C&W, RCA were selling truckloads of Elvis but very little else and Motown and Stax were cleaning up with black music. So Dave's point about how many promos RCA pressed is a good one. RCA at the time could fling a lot of stuff out there and hope that some of 'em may stick. It's very possible that if RCA had decided to really commit to black music (and they had Sam Cooke in the 50's and 60's remember), then they'd probably be pretty liberal about 'looking after' the market they were trying to muscle in on. Plus, technically, they'd be competing with Motown and Stax, who never knowingly under-pressed LOL, so it's entirely possible that RCA could do anywhere between 1-5K promo runs if they wanted to compete with Motown and Stax. I've found incredible runs of RCA promos on different trips all the way from L.A., Texas, Denver, Terre Haute, Nashville, Madison, Augusta and South Carolina. RCA pumped those promos EVERYWHERE. I always knew that if I bumped into, say, a Lorraine Chandler, Metros or Naked Truth RCA promo somewhere, then there was a king-hell opportunity to find others. Plus, every dealer seemed to regularly have decent RCA goodies. So I'm really curious about what kind of promo numbers they pressed around that time. We all know that RCA black issues are like gold-dust compared to the white promos but exactly how many were there? Also, I think people under-estimate the rarity of some of the later RCA stuff from the 70's. All the european guys love that Jon Lucien RCA promo EP but I've also heard 2 different late 70's RCA promos by unknown acts which I've never seen in my life and which are both brilliant. And I can't find 'em anywhere grrr........... I think RCA promos started to get scarcer from Herb Ward onwards....... Great thread! Ian D
  2. Ian Dewhirst
    Looks like it was signed for the world by Jay Boy and used to launch both the UK and US imprints..... Weird how it came to Jay Boy although, as Pete said earlier they were already issuing stuff from Bronco, Mustang, Jerhart etc via President, so maybe it was a logical step to set up a seperate imprint for stuff that was licensed in. Went to shit, from Jay Boy 2 soulwise for a while ay? Ian D
  3. Ian Dewhirst
    Interesting. If that's correct (and I can't find it on any Wheel playlists) then I'm wondering if was ever big anywhere before the mid 70's in that case? I always assumed that it was already an oldie by the time I got on the scene 'cos everybody seemed to know it and most people had copies........ ...I compared it earlier with Bunny Sigler which was another record that everyone seemed to know plus there were tons of copies and that broke huge despite being known and common at the time. It should sounded like it should have been a massive oldie ay? Ian D
  4. Ian Dewhirst
    Actually whilst we're on the subject, what was the deal with Doris Willingham Jay Boy 1? Was it simply licensed to Jay Boy period? It never had a US label other than those strange U.S. Jay Boy pressings.......... Ian D
  5. Ian Dewhirst
    That's pretty much exactly what happened in my view. I think the nature of Ed Kassners operation at the time was that they'd pick up whatever halfway decent catalogues they could and throw 'em out there to see what happened. So they got Mirwood, Shout, DC etc and then eventually got lucky with TK and started having hits. If the label knew about northern demand, then surely they'd have issued "Number One" by the Exciters rather than "Soul Motion" surely.....? Ian D
  6. Ian Dewhirst
    So even less point in Jay Boy releasing it yet again when there was no real demand....... Ian D
  7. Ian Dewhirst
    Not around my way they weren't. I've never heard "The Shotgun & The Duck" out anywhere in my life and "My Little Girl" was considered a cheapie and hardly ever got played in any clubs between '71-'75. I think all the Mirwood stuff got revitalised in the mid 70's when Soussan did those Soul Fox boots. I'm sure my "Temptation Walk"/"The Shotgun & The Duck" UK Jay Boy promo came out of Jumbo's 10p clearout box not long after it was issued, so whenever that was, there really wasn't much demand for it at the time......... Honestly most Mirwood stuff was fairly readily available following Jimmy Conwell and Richard Temple, so you'd be more likely to hear Mirwood records at a mid-week night rather than at any of the big venues, as unlikely as that seems. If you check any B&S club ads from that period, I very much doubt that you'll spot any Mirwood releases because they simply weren't rare enough by that point. Everyone had 'em. I mean, you couldn't give away "Baby Do The Philly Dog" by the Olympics on Mirwood in 1972 (Bradford Market was packed with 'em and they were in every £1 pack Soul Pack), yet Jay Boy still issued it anyway. Why? That's why I think they simply scheduled X amount of Mirwood releases to fulfil the contract.........could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me 'cos some of those releases really didn't make much sense at the time as they were all 60's recordings being released between 1970 to 1972 and many people had moved on fresher records by then. They weren't even old enough to be proper oldies by then! Ian D
  8. Ian Dewhirst
    Yeah, but since when were 'Shotgun & The Duck' and "My Little Girl" in-demand back then? I think these came out on Jay Boy as part of a long-term release schedule. As I said, my mate collected Jay Boy in the early 70's and we'd often ponder what was the point in many of their Mirwood releases. There wasn't any real demand to my knowledge apart from label completists and a handful of others....... Of course, regionally back then, different records broke in different areas. I don't remember "My Little Girl" getting hammered anywhere much before the mid 70's but it could have been big in the Midlands maybe. And, yes, "Oh My Darlin' was a Wheel spin originally I believe...... Ian D
  9. Ian Dewhirst
    I don't believe there was any demand when Jay Boy issued it. Same as Jackie's "The Shotgun and the Duck", Jackie Lee & Dolores Hall "Whether It's Right Or Wrong", the Shepperds "How Do You Like It", Bobby Garrett's "My Little Girl" etc, etc. Jay Boy was the UK outlet for Mirwood at the time so they may have been contractually obliged to issue a certain amount of singles. My mate, Syd from Heckmondwike collected Jay Boy and most of the Jay Boy soul releases were relatively easily available at the time. Plus Bradford Market was packed with Mirwood cut-outs as well, so all this stuff was pretty well-known throughout the north. In fact, I'd go as far to say that many of the Mirwood classics were overlooked because they were so easily available. These were the days when you could pick up Jackie Lee's "Darkest Days" on ABC for 60p on Global's wholesale list! Whenever I heard "Oh My Darlin" back then I just presumed it was a well-chosen cheap as chips play - in the same boat as Bunny Sigler's "Girl Don't Make Me Wait" in terms of being 'known' and fairly easily available. I can remember literally hundreds of copies of "Oh My Darlin'" unsold @ 25p each on Bradford market. It was always a brilliant record but maybe just too common for it's own good back then, if that makes sense. Still got the UK promo. I don't think I've ever heard a better 7" pressing in my life. The mastering is sensational....... Ian D
  10. Ian Dewhirst
    Philly Re-Grooved Vol 3 was going to come out at the end of October as another single CD but what happened was we suddenly got lucky with some long-lost master tapes. Only problem was that loads of the repertoire belonged to different companies -Buddah, Chelsea/Roxbury, Atlantic, Atco etc, so because the repertoire was so stunning - Melba Moore, The Spinners, The Ebony's, Bettye Swan, Blue Magic etc, etc we had to go through the laborious process of getting permission for Tom to remix and license the tracks etc, etc. So, in answer to your question, Philly Re-Grooved Volume 3 will be a double CD of some breath-takingly awesome Moulton mixes of some truly incredible records and will be out in mid January 2013. With Tom these projects are labours of love, so once we get going things get a momentum of their own. Plus he had to follow 'Philadelphia International: The Tom Moulton Remixes' (which is rapidly approaching 10K happy buyers) with something special right? It'll be a great start to the new year! Ian D
  11. Ian Dewhirst
    $1000 for a cracked copy? The world gets weirder every day...... Ian D
  12. Ian Dewhirst
    More information about "Backbeats Artists Series - Holland & Dozier, Laura Lee, Honey Cone & More"
    Backbeats Artists Series - First 5 Releases — Track Listings Since its launch in early 2010, the Backbeats Series has subsequently released 30 compilations covering numerous genres within black music throughout the previous 50 years all at an incredible budget price which appeals to consumers. This is probably the reason why combined sales of the series have now reached 125,000 and are continuing to grow. Following the demand for the multi-artist compilations, we decided that it would be great if we could target the same market with a similar-value range of artist compilations drawn from the same areas of appeal that the various artists Backbeats compilations draw from. So welcome to the Backbeats Artists series which will regularly release incredible value artist compilations that have been compiled by experts and produced with love. We kick off with 5 great artists from black music’s illustrious history………… All the following for less than £5.00 each including P&P! How’s that for value? BACKBART001 Holland & Dozier — The Creative Corporation Compiled by Steve Edgar 1. Don't Leave Me (Vocal) 3.14 - Holland & Dozier 2. Why Can't We Be Lovers 4.03 - Holland & Dozier 3. Don't Leave Me Starving For Your Love PT1 3.23 - Holland & Dozier 4. Don't Leave Me Starving For Your Love PT2 2.18 - Holland & Dozier 5. Slipping Away 3.24 - Holland & Dozier 6. Can't Get Enough 2.36 - Holland & Dozier 7. New Breed Kinda Woman 2.51 - Holland & Dozier 8. If You Don't Want To Be In My Life 3.06 - Holland & Dozier 9. I'm Gonna Hijack Ya, Kidnap Ya, Take What I Want 3.40 - Holland & Dozier 10. You Took Me From A World Outside 3.40 - Holland & Dozier 11. I'm So Glad Pt1 3.57 - Holland & Dozier 12. Super Woman (You Ain't No Ordinary Woman) 4.01 - Holland & Dozier 13. Let's Get Together 3.49 - Holland & Dozier 14. Don't Stop Playing Our Song 3.46 - Holland & Dozier 15. The Picture Will Never Change 4.33 - Holland & Dozier 16. Lady By Day 4.22 - Holland & Dozier 17. Where Did We Go Wrong 4.13 - Holland & Dozier 18. Don’t Leave Me (Instrumental) 2.48 - Holland & Dozier Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.co...46423711&sr=1-1 BACKBART002 Laura Lee — Supreme Soul Diva Compiled by Dean Rudland 1. Woman’s Love Rights 5.12 - Laura Lee 2. Wedlock Is A Padlock 3.07 - Laura Lee 3. Love and Liberty 3.03 - Laura Lee 4. It’s Not What You Fall For, It’s What You Stand For 6.29 - Laura Lee 5. Since I Fell For You (Parts 1 & 2) 8.01 - Laura Lee 6. Two Lovely Pillows 3.33 - Laura Lee 7. Her Picture Matches Mine 3.52 - Laura Lee 8. I Can’t Make It Alone 3.06 - Laura Lee 9. Don’t Leave Me Starving For Your Love 2.59 - Laura Lee 10. We’ve Come Too Far To Walk Away 4.33 - Laura Lee 11. I Need It Just As Bad As You 2.57 - Laura Lee 12. Crumbs Off The Table 3.34 - Laura Lee 13. Rip Off 3.15 - Laura Lee 14. If I’m Good Enough To Love (I’m Good Enough To Marry) 3.38 - Laura Lee 15. Guess Who I Saw Today 3.51 - Laura Lee 16. If You Can’t Beat Me Rockin’ (You Can Have My Chair) 2.52 - Laura Lee 17. You’ve Got To Save Me 3.15 - Laura Lee 18. I’ll Catch You When You Fall 3.53 - Laura Lee 19. At Last (My Love Has Come Along) 4.34 - Laura Lee 20. Mirror Of Your Soul 4.43 - Laura Lee Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.co...46423711&sr=1-5 BACKBART003 Tommie Young — Shreveport Soulstress Compiled by Dean Rudland 1. That's How Strong My Love Is 3.14 - Tommie Young 2. Everybody's Got A Little Devil In Their Soul 3.38 - Tommie Young 3. You Came Just In Time 2.40 - Tommie Young 4. Hit And Run Lover 2.32 - Tommie Young 5. Midsummer Dream 3.16 - Tommie Young 6. Do You Still Feel The Same Way? 3.41 - Tommie Young 7. You Brought It All On Yourself 3.49 - Tommie Young 8. That's All A Part Of Loving Him 3.17 - Tommie Young 9. She Don't Have To See You (To See Through You) 3.09 - Tommie Young 10. Do We Have A Future? 2.26 - Tommie Young 11. You Can Only Do Wrong So Long 2.41 - Tommie Young 12. Take Time To Know Him 3.14 - Tommie Young 13. Get Out Of My Life 2.48 - Tommie Young 14. I'm Not Going To Cry Anymore 3.04 - Tommie Young 15. One Sided Love Affair 3.24 - Tommie Young 16. You Can't Have Your Cake (And Eat It Too) 3.30 - Tommie Young Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.co...46423711&sr=1-3 BACKBART004 Willie Mitchell — Memphis Rhythm King Compiled by Dean Rudland 1. Everythings’s Gonna Be Alright 2.23 - Willie Mitchell 2. 30-60-90 2.25 - Willie Mitchell 3. That Driving Beat 2.07 - Willie Mitchell 4. My Babe 2.21 - Willie Mitchell 5. Mercy 2.09 - Willie Mitchell 6. The Champion 2.13 - Willie Mitchell 7. Cleo’s Mood 2.22 - Willie Mitchell 8. 20-75 2.14 - Willie Mitchell 9. Wade In The Water - Willie Mitchell 10. Grazin’ In The Grass - Willie Mitchell 11. You Can’t Sit Down 2.02 - Willie Mitchell 12. Toddlin’ 2.06 - Willie Mitchell 13. Poppin’ 2.18 - Willie Mitchell 14. Pearl Time 2.30 - Willie Mitchell 15. Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag 2.12 - Willie Mitchell 16. The Horse 2.29 - Willie Mitchell 17. Barefootin’ 2.13 - Willie Mitchell 18. Breaking Point 3.03 - Willie Mitchell 19. Six To Go 2.14 - Willie Mitchell 20. Big Power House 2.22 - Willie Mitchell 21. Prayer Meeting 2.13 - Willie Mitchell 22. Turn Back The Hands Of Time 2.47 - Willie Mitchell 23. Teenie’s Dream 2.10 - Willie Mitchell 24. Groovin’ 3.00 - Willie Mitchell Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.co...46423711&sr=1-2 BACKBART005 Honey Cone — Scorching Soul Trio Compiled by Dean Rudland 1. Want Ads (Long Version) 3.48 - Honey Cone 2. While You’re Out Looking For Sugar (Album Version) 3.14 - Honey Cone 3. Sunday Morning People 2.42 - Honey Cone 4. Son Of A Preacher Man 2.26 - Honey Cone 5. Are You Man Enough Are You Strong Enough 3.17 - Honey Cone 6. Take My Love 3.09 - Honey Cone 7. The Feeling’s Gone 2.51 - Honey Cone 8. When Will It End 2.52 - Honey Cone 9. We Belong Together 3.10 - Honey Cone 10. It’s Better To Have Love And Lost 2.42 - Honey Cone 11. If I Can’t Fly 3.23 - Honey Cone 12. Take Me With You 2.59 - Honey Cone 13. All The Kings Horses (And All The Kings Men) 3.48 - Honey Cone 14. Don’t Count Your Chickens (Before They Hatch) 3.01 - Honey Cone 15. How Does It Feel 3.09 - Honey Cone 16. One Monkey Don’t Stop No Show (Part 1) 3.31 - Honey Cone 17. Stick Up 3.02 - Honey Cone 18. Who’s It Gonna Be 5.53 - Honey Cone 19. Sitting On A Time Bomb (Waitin’ On The Hurt To Come) 3.40 - Honey Cone 20. Innocent ‘Til Proven Guilty 3.28 - Honey Cone 21. Woman Can’t Live By Bread Alone 3.05 - Honey Cone 22. Stay In My Corner 4.57 - Honey Cone Amazon Link: http://www.amazon.co...46423711&sr=1-4 We currently have around 30 more Backbeats Artists albums in the pipeline and we'll be releasing them 5 at a time every couple of months, so watch this space! Ian D
  13. Ian Dewhirst
    All 5 currently sailing up the Amazon rankings! Out on Monday! https://www.amazon.co...sts,popular,178 Difficult to beat at less than a fiver each including delivery! Ian D
  14. Ian Dewhirst
    Yeah. I'm still pretty supple and demonstrating tendencies that are not becoming of my age. It's weird mate. In my head I'm a lot younger than I am. Plus I don't really feel that old. But everytime I get too cocky, I suddenly become aware that maybe I'm not as robust as I thought...... But, hey, other than the odd muscle cramp, 80% deafness, natural mental degradation, regular breathing difficulties and marginally less energy due to the demands of a full-time job, I generally feel OK....... I really applaud DHthe Drug for saying what he wants to say and having the sponteneity to launch threads which reflect his passion. "It's Keeps Rainin'" was a record I got introduced to when I first got on the scene. It was an 'oldie' at that time, but there again, so was Jimmy Radcliffe's "Long After Tonight Is All Over". I'd almost forgotten it until Dave brought it up....... Ian D
  15. Ian Dewhirst
    Mmmm. That really doesn't surprise me at all Kev. We still have quite a bit of work to do mate.... Ian D
  16. Ian Dewhirst
    I think Ady has a point here. "The Magic Touch" had a massive amount of relevance with many of our European cousins. Dan D who runs the Baltic Soul Weekenders was positively raving about the legacy of the record when he interviewed Melba recently. I think this record exported beautifully to the rest of the world at a key time for traditional Northern Soul. So, yes, a key record in the evolution of the scene without a doubt. Ian D
  17. Ian Dewhirst
    Not really Dave. I could understand if you were in a hurry, but Modern Soul has never been my preference for lovemaking. A bit frenetic if you know what I mean. I x Modern Soul record = approximately 3 minutes and it takes me that long just to stretch my legs..... Ian D
  18. Ian Dewhirst
    Sue & Sunny Ian D
  19. Ian Dewhirst
    That record must be cursed. I bust the Bobby Hutton on Phillips and Oscar Perry's "He Sent Me You" on Mercury when I rolled my car on the way back from Cleethorpes in the mid 70's..... Ian D
  20. Ian Dewhirst
    Good point Toad. Now re-edited with the following addition:- Oh, and did we mention condition?????? This has never been touched by human hands! As a promotional gift to match the yellow demo, London records gave away a pair of brand new yellow latex washing up gloves which the previous owner always donned before he examined the record. It was never played, only examined OK? With latex gloves. Did we mention condition????" Ian D
  21. Ian Dewhirst
    It's loads of artists buying 'em up and recycling 'em as artwork....... https://1800recycling.com/2010/07/uses-old-vinyl-records/ Ian D
  22. Ian Dewhirst
    "Seldom does one get the chance to hold one of the original Northern Soul scene's most cherished records, but rarer still will be the opportunity to hold a rarer-than-rare yellow UK demo on one of the most cherised of all U.K. labels, London. This incredibly poignant slab of early Soul music can only be described as the epitomy of what we would now call a classic beat ballad. But what a beat ballad! One can almost hear the echoes of Fats nonchalant phrasing whirling around the Twisted Wheel to a packed dance-floor. This record is one of the foundations of the entire Soul scene. To actually hold one of the 'rumoured until now' yellow London demos in your hand, is to undergo a transformation which will connect you with the very heart of the glorious scene from it's birth almost 50 years ago. Oh, and did we mention condition?????? This has never been touched by human hands! As a promotional gift to match the yellow demo, London records gave away a pair of brand new yellow latex washing up gloves which the previous owner always donned before he examined the record. It was never played, only examined OK? With latex gloves. Did we mention condition???? This is history and you cannot put a price on it. And for this reason, we have withdrawn it from sale". How's that Dave? Ian D
  23. Ian Dewhirst
    You know, I'll say one thing - I really can't knock his enthusiam. It's kinda infectious to me. I think it's brilliant that he's knocking out these podcasts which ALWAYS have some interesting stuff on them whether they're known or not. Plus I like the fact that he's banned from here, hardly does any gigs yet STILL has a massive amount of enthusiasm for hearing hearing fresh stuff. I'm actually playing catch up 'cos I never had chance to listen to a couple of the earlier ones. Good on him for taking the time to still do this against all the odds! Ian D
  24. Ian Dewhirst
    Truer words were never spake. I don't think many of our heroes made much of a living from it....... Ian D
  25. Ian Dewhirst
    I bet the Gay Disco stuff earnt him more than the previous 2 decades.I think he probably had more commercial success in the late 70's then previously. I just think he was a brilliant arranger with almost anything that was thrown at him. I mean, if you're gonna make a Richie Family record then do one like this, which is right up there with "Like An Eagle" LOL.... The Richie Family "Quiet Village" Right, better get back to the Northern ay......? Ian D


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