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BBC2 Culture Show - Northern Soul Tonite Wed 25th Sept 2013
Ian Dewhirst commented on Mike's article in News Archives
I reckon they have much more than 20 hours. They got loads of great footage and we've only seen a tiny percentage thus far. If this show finds an audience, then watch this space... Ian D -
Records You Should Not Really Like :-)
Ian Dewhirst replied to Premium Stuff's topic in All About the SOUL
Wombat - I'm Gettin' On Life (Gemni) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux6Fj5zXLJs Hated it with a vengeance for the last 40 years but now I think it's a fascinating slice of social commentary. Plus anyone who decides his one shot at stardom will be aided by calling himself Wombat deserves a vote ay? Ian D -
Not Forgetting The Very Talented " Sharon Paige"
Ian Dewhirst replied to Tfk's topic in All About the SOUL
Her best performance I reckon.... Ian -
There was some horrific mis-spelling of titles back then too. "Slau Fizz", Bock to Boc" and "Skying In The Snow" come to mind...... Ian D
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He is a legend. I got loads off him in the early 70's. I once suggested that my wages from Tuesday Nights @ Burnley Cricket Club should go directly to Brad 'cos that's pretty much what was happening anyway........ Ian D
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Me too. The last time I had a meaningful conversation with a guy in this position, he admitted the kind of amounts he was spending and that he had a major problem. Haven't seen him since. He seems to have completely disappeared. I hope he's OK...... Ian D
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I'm seriously amazed! A complaint on Soul Source about a record that's suddenly catching attention because it's selling for massive multiples of it's original price????? OK, I agree in principle. Now will everyone on Soul Source who I've ever sold records to over the last 40 years please return them and I'll refund everyone the original price I charged? Yep, that will make it OK with me at least and I'll think much better of the people in question. Ian D
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Val Shively told me some incredible stories about guns in people's faces and generally distasteful behavior on the Doo-Wop 45 collectors scene in the late 60's/early 70's. I've had people I knew try and nick records from my house and I know Tim Brown's had similar problems with people he'd known for 20+ years and previously trusted. In these cases obviously people lost their integrity in their greed to own a record and that's arguably far worse than any financial loss. Anything that can push relatively normal people into such lengths to obtain a piece of plastic can't be healthy can it? Beware obsessiveness in any form. It distorts reality. Ian D
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I first gave up collecting major rarities in 1976. After swapping the Exception on Capitol for the Four Perfections, paying 10p for Lenny Curtis, £2 for the Pointer Sisters, £15 for the Carstairs, £20 for the Detroit Executives, £30 for Frankie 'Loveman' Crocker and £40 for the Tomangoes among many others within the same price brackets, I got in a bidding war for Bernie Williams which eventually went for £120 cash and two £15 swaps, which was around £90 too much for my liking. So that's when I made the decision to flog my existing collection and to go to the U.S. and find 'em at a more reasonable price, which was an action I've never regretted and which, ultimately, led me to a lifetime in music. So I'm pretty happy that's the direction I went. I've probably had 3 or 4 decent Northern collections since then, most of which tended to coincide with when I had more disposable income. So I thought the prices were going crazy in 1976 but great records were still obtainable for a reasonable amount. These days it's a rich man's game, especially if you're in the mega rarity mode and unless you have a 40 year old collection. I got in more financial messes between, say, between 1972 and 1976 when my weekly wage was around £22.00. Chuck in another £10-15 a week for deejaying and some record dealing which probably took my income to circa £120-30 a month. Knock off £50 for living expenses and that would leave about £70-80 a month, of which the majority went on records. So when records started breeching the 2 months disposable income level, that's when I decided I couldn't continue punishing myself any longer. Besides I had tons of other stuff I wanted to do and which needed money too and it's been that way ever since. I still buy stuff all the time but across a wide swathe of styles and generally cheap. I think the most I've ever spent on a record is about £500 and that was an exception to the rule. I thought it was good topic by the way. I can remember having to stay in for a week or two because of some purchases and that almost killed me at the time ....... Ian D
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I'm pretty sure I've got that Kev. I have a feeling that it could be from some re-records that Harold Melvin did post PIR but I'll need to check. I've got an album full of fantastic different versions of some of the PIR stuff. I've gotta shoot off now but I'll try and dig the album out and refresh my memory..... Ian D
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Also, in many cases, Tom is not gratuitously adding length for the sake of it but rather restoring the originals to the length that's actually on the masters! As a perfect example, the original recording of Robert Upchurch's "The Devil Made Me Do It" turned out to be 11 minutes long. We never knew that until the tape arrived. The only thing we'd ever heard up to then was the 4 minute edit from the master 'cos that's all that had ever been made available. This is a prime Philly session with all the key musicians including the late Vincent Montana playing their asses off over an 11 minute jam. That would have been lost forever if we hadn't dug it out. Ian D
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Anyone who wants a beautifully mastered version of "No More Ghettos In America" can still order this by the way:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/Holy-Spirit-Spiritual-Soul-Gospel/dp/B007O3VO2Y Ian D
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It's obviously in the wrong place. Re-edits are not designed for the Soul Source audience full stop. No point in anyone on here lacerating themselves over this. The better re-edits are finding a completely different but massive audience elsewhere and frankly that's where they're aimed at. The majority S.S. audience are simply not interested in anything other than the original recording which is absolutely fine. As I keep saying, the last place I would go to hear a great re-edit set is anywhere connected with either the Northern or Modern scene. Any talk of these recordings 'killing' Soul music is just nuts. I don't even know why it's even up for discussion..... Ian D
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You're in luck. There's a special Bank Holiday All-Dayer on this Sunday with 9 of the original DJ's. Ian D
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LOL, that's a 'lil unfair MIke. The Aretha Franklin record is a ballad and thus would not fit any kind of dance-floor in it's original form. If someone's had the inspiration to add a touch of Marvin and an RnB rhythm some 45 years later and turn it into a new anthem for the audience then good luck to 'em surely? I have never not seen that remix pack the floor. The old version was simply too old to make sense for today's dance-floors. You can always get a drink when this is playing 'cos everyone's usually on the floor and the bar is clear! Ian D
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Most of 'em were re-edits Mike. They would often be done be done almost as an afterthought in the studio, i.e. let the engineer bang a 3 minute radio edit from the full version, or, even worse, sometimes the promotion guys did 'em (there's many famous stories of the promotion guys editing the album versions for the radio edit - "Light My Fire" by the Doors being one of the biggest). The Sigma musicians simply went in and played the sessions and then went to the next session. On much of the Philly recorded stuff I'm sure the producers - Gamble, Huff, Bell, Eli etc would have overseen the radio edits but as Gamble told me, they just banged 'em out 'cos they were always too busy recording the next hit! At Sigma Sound the musicians generally got the groove pumping and then it would be up to the producer/engineer or promotion guys to guys to cut the radio edit from the recording. Some of those 3 minute Philly singles that we all know and love are from 10 minute recordings! Ian D
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Well that's probably the most obvious one for our age group since we all got accustomed to the mistakes. I realised there was a mistake on the pressing and that something else was up with the edit but didn't know enough about it all back then. Now that I actually work with HDH these days, I now realise how bad that release actually was! Didn't stop it going Top 30 though. It still happens though. One of the all-time worse mixes I've ever heard is Shakira "Hips Don't Lie" and that was a No.1 record and grammy nomination! The public don't seem to mind.... Ian D
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I know exactly what you mean. The UK copy of "Why Can't We Be Lovers" - Holland & Dozier I bought when it came out, not only had a TERRIBLE edit but also a pressing fault! Both faults became ingrained on my brain with the result that, some 40 years later, I still have problems listening to the full original. I'm not convinced that the actual problem is the term 're-edit' since most people's favorite records are re-edits anyway, but rather the potential for what some people might call 'lazy programming' by DJ's on the Modern scene. I guess re-edits give some DJ's the chance to slip some oldies in via the back door. There are clubs where re-edits are played more or less all night but to a totally different and younger audience and those nights are incredible and easily as energized as I remember the Northern and Modern scenes in the 70's. But a completely different crowd. As with all these things, it's horses for courses. If I want to hear some killer re-edit sets, then, frankly, the last place I'd go to would be a Modern do. Ian D