Ian Dewhirst

LOL, you seriously believe that? Ian D

Yes, exactly. Phew, that Eddie Waring was a real pussy magnet back in the day ay? Ian D

I wasn't thinking either the 60's or Ray Agee especially Tony. I was talking about the first ramp of Soussan boots with the same typesetter (circa '73/'74) were done at ALCO before he fell out with 'em and moved to Monarch I think. That Ray Agee orange pressing from what would appear to be the same typesetter is just plain weird.....I don't know what the story is there....... Ian D

Too explicit Swifty. They had to disguise everything with sports metaphors back then..... Ian D

Actually Dave, I think if you listen to the lyrics properly, the song is actually about a girl's arse. They're merely using the grid-iron and other sporting references as a metaphor to describe the fact that this girl is really exploiting her arse to the detriment and embarrassment of her former boyfriend..... BACKFIELD IN MOTION Mel & Tim - 1969 Backfield in motion, yeah, I'm gonna have to penalize you Backfield in motion, baby, You know that's against the rules. Off side and holdin, yeah, You ought a be ashamed of yourself baby Offside and holdin yeah, Holdin on to some one else You know you're cheatin baby, Ffakin the bout You know you're balking, baby, (oh yeah) strike three you're out And I caught you with Backfield in motion, yeah, I'm gonna have to penalize you Backfield in motion, baby, You know that's against the rules. First down you start cheatin' on me Second down, I was too blind to see Third down, you know I love you so Fourth down, baby I got to let you go, Cus I caught you with your Backfield in motion, yeah, I'm gonna have to penalize you Backfield in motion, baby, You know that's against the rules. Now you will see, ah yeah, just how I felt You beat me to the punch honey, But you hit me below the belt And I caught you with your Backfield in motion, yeah, I'm gonna have to penalize you Backfield in motion, baby, You know that's against the rules. Backfield in motion, backfield in motion... Backfield in motion, backfield in motion... Ian D

ALCO as a guess...... Ian D

And to think I never even clicked what the lyrics were about until I was out of my teens........ Ian D

It just made all the sense in the world. Because there were not that many venues spread around the North, it meant long travels for many people so I guess it made sense that you could get a good 8 hours in before the trek home. I wonder when the first verifiable Northern Soul all-nighter happened then? The Wheel? Ian D

Import boots through Soussan, some legal stuff directly (and I didn't know about the Kenya Collins either - a real surprise to me that anyone would have done that record) and then, of course, their own Black Magic label which contained bootleg recordings....... Ian D

Yep. They were the UK distributor for all Soussan's stuff as well. Ian D

I haven't finished yet mate. I presume this was the original and the one above was knocked out with the Sandy Goldens and the Soussan jobs...... Ian D

A few links I'd say....... Ian D

I don't think Soussan was involved with this actually. It's his modus-operandi but, musically, not his type of bootleg at all. The connection is the label designer and pressing plant which is the same operation that was used for the early Soultown boots which were via Bobby Sanders and Simon Soussan until they fell out. So my theory is that Nate Fortier and/or Bobby Sanders thought they could replicate the Soussan operation, chucked the Sandy Golden into the pot but didn't understand how to exploit the track and failed dismally before moving onto other things. So, just to be 100% clear, I'm saying that it's a late 70's/early 80's pressing designed to appeal to the Northern scene but probably not a bootleg but rather a stab at a market with a track that they had in the can aimed for a scene that they knew nothing about. Does that makes sense? Ian D

Selective editing you bugger! Ian D

I would guess that pressing the record up seemed like a good idea at the time for potential exports to the UK and Belgium but whoever did it simply didn't have the right level of contacts or expertise to get the record to the right people I would guess....? I'm wracking my brains to think of some other L.A. examples of people doing legitimate re-presses in the 70's 'cos quite a few of 'em were at it - Joey Jefferson, Charles Russell etc, etc and some of those re-presses barely limped out if I remember correctly. That's what I think happened here...... Ian D

Not desperate at all Chalky. I'd love it to be a 100% bonafide original but I also try to employ some common sense aligned with a bit of knowledge about L.A. in the mid 70's. I'd say there's definitely two lots of opinions on the record and if Robb K and Pete S share the same viewpoint as me, then that's a bit of a relief since people have been trying to close this thread since page one for some reason. The truth will come out one day I'm sure....... Ian D

No point in having a dig at me guys. I didn't start the thread. The record is fine but if you think that's a 100% legit release you need your heads examining...... Ian D

I concur a million percent. There's usually some minor scuffs, paper scratches or simply dust that degrades the newness of the labels to a certain degree. That scan looks as though it's just come off the press yesterday LOL... Ian D

Some may argue with that Robb! Ian D

I thought some were indicating that it was a late 60's pressing earlier in the thread? Ian D

What gigs? She's virtually unknown and doesn't seem to have had much verifiable activity ever. In fact, there's bugger all about her anywhere. Maybe Roburt can dig something up...? I've got thousands of records from the 70's many of which have never even been out of the sleeve, but I can pretty much guarantee that none of 'em look as beautifully brand spanking new as that scan up above. I'd be delighted if my records looked as new as those. The only way I've seen records come up that nice, is if they've been stored in an air-proof plastic bag for 40 years or if they've been well-stored in boxes in a dry warm location, which is rare. Even more controversially, just looking at the grooves and the finish on the vinyl, I'd say it was pressed at the same plant as the Sweet Stuff and Solomon Burke Soultown 45's which would put it between 1975-81. So there. Ian D

That's kinda my gut feeling bout this. The pressings look brand new, pristine and the label is way too clean for an old record. I bet someone pressed up a bunch in the 70's or early 80's and they just got dumped somewhere. There'll be 500 of 'em in an L.A. garage or a dumpster you can rest assured..... I used to go to those huge charity record events in Chicago in the late 80's and there'd be 1000's of 100 count boxes from the various distributors - 100's of 1000's of mint 45's that had flopped and were no good to anyone back then........ Ian D

"Pushin' Too Hard" - The Seeds "Nicky Hoeky" - P.J. Proby "Daylight Saving Time" - Keith "Jerk Baby Jerk" - Smokey & The Fabulous Blades Ian D

LOL, Brad turned up stuff every bloody week in the mid 70's. He's one of the main reasons why I slugged it from Huddersfield over to Burnley every Tuesday night in the mid 70's. "Send Him Back" - The Pointer Sisters and tons of others came from Brad, so often Brad would hype me on a record on the Tuesday night, I'd hand over my wages and buy it (every unknown record was £2 back then LOL) but I'd have a solid great new play for the upcoming weekend. And many of those £2 Tuesday night purchases would turn into monsters along the line. Brad was very, very sussed and diligent about scouting down stuff. He was the first guy I knew that was in direct contact with Major Bill Smith in Texas and, if my memory serves me correctly, Robert Thomas and Ede Robin probably came from Brad first. Brad supplied a few of us and was so quick on new Mecca spins it was unreal. However, it's weird 'cos I mentioned Major Bill Smith earlier in this thread because the Sandy Golden pressing just kinda rang a distant alarm bell with me 'cos it reminded me of either a Soussan bootleg or a Major Bill legitimate re-press, hence my comment about being the bootiest looking original I'd ever seen. And it is. Yes, it's deffo the Northern Soul version of JFK and I apologize if I've basically been talking b*llocks for the last 10 days, but there's something not quite right about that Sandy Golden record in my view. Also, now this other 'B' side "Grey Skies" has popped up it's really making me wonder. Where did Manship's info come from? Ian D