Ian Dewhirst

Wow, what perfectly manicured fingernails! Shame the bloody record is getting in the way of the others! Ian D

Jobete, but I think we can safely assume that Frank Wilson earned back his publishing advance in the 60's thus "Do I Love (Indeed I Do)" coming out in the 80's, 90's and 00's would have been all cream as we say in the trade.......even on a 80/20% split in Frank's favour....... Ian D

They also say you can't bullshit a bullshitter whilst teaching old dogs new tricks in glass houses Gareth........ Look, we all know that internationally renowned record dealers never stretch the truth don't we........? Ian D

Y'know Bearsy, I've been thinking about this a little bit more and I reckon that Frank Wilson has probably made at least £100K as a direct result of Simon nicking that copy from Motown! Frank Wilson should THANK Simon Soussan LOL! The track was used on the Kentucky Fried Chicken ad and Frank would have earned somewhere around £50-80,000 from his songwriting royalties from that as it was advertised extensively on terrestrial TV and was a major campaign. It's the holy-grail of earnings if you're a songwriter. Plus, earlier on this thread, someone was good enough to print a discography of all the compilation albums it's been on over the last 20 years which will have earnt Frank at least another £20-30K. So, in this bizarre, weird, twisted tale we have a situation where a French Morroccan wheeling-dealing record hustler steals "Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)" from Motown and inadvertantly earns Frank Wilson £100K as a direct result! You couldn't make it up! Ian D

Did you hear it through the grapevine Pete? Ian D

Hang on, let me make an insurance bet with Johnny first and then we'll up the stakes! I actually have a little more info on the owner but I'm sworn to secrecy for obvious reasons. On the other hand, was John playing some sort of reverse-psychology double-bluff endgame knowing that bigmouth Dewhirst is perfect free PR!!!! Damn, I'm even beginning to doubt myself now LOL..... Can't take your dosh Andy - it would be like stealing candy from a baby plus I have conscience.... Ian D

I wish it would. Either I've been fed a whopper of a tale or Kenny's decided to get cremated LOL! Ian D

Which is the complete opposite to what I've been led to believe. I've been told definitively that the copy on the forthcoming auction is neither Tim's nor Kenny's and, in fact, is coming from another source entirely (i.e. a 3rd copy as I've said throughout this thread) and the third-party who owns the record wishes to remain anonymous, which seems fair enough. Maybe Kenny's not 'going to the grave' with his copy after all, as a result of all this speculation possibly? Possibly 2 Frank Wilson's for sale if Ginger is correct? Like waiting for buses isn't it.......? Weird, weird, weird.......... Ian D

Every so often there comes a point in one's life, when one has to bow to the inevitable and invite Paul Thrower back onto one's Radio Show. It's invariably a messy business and not for the faint-hearted (especially after a full cooked Sunday lunchtime brunch) but the bull had to taken by the horns, teeth had to be gritted in grim determination and the bullet had to be bitten. So it's gives me great pleasure to present the pre Chi-Soul warm-up with Paul Thrower (aka Chi-Soul) on this Sunday's ORIGINAL MASTERCUTS Show 8/2/09! Sir Percy will deliver 2 hours of aural delights based on his multiple years of soaking up and regurgitating Soul Music from all eras aided and abetted by myself who will chip in with the usual cliche-ridden questions and retarded comments...... There'll be Finger-Snappers, Knee-Benders, Foot-Thumpers, Wrist-Slashers, Pant-Wetters & Head-Nodders galore we promise. Sounds like a PERFECT recipe for a Soulful afternoon! So join us Sunday afternoon between 2.00-4.00pm for what will undoubtably be a highly memorable show folks! See ya on Sunday! Ian D

Imagine if a real one of those came on the market. That'd shatter a few myths wouldn't it? Ian D

Luckily for all the statute of limitations expired circa '82 for THAT copy LOL..... Got me thinking though whether there's ever been an action to reclaim an expensive promo by the record companies? I had a run in with Jeff Buckley's estate a few years ago for trying to flog a T.P. of "Grace" on E-Bay and they threatened me with expensive lawyers and a potential lawsuit........... Ian D

Yeah, probably too much for him the tight git - I reckon his first loves are Ska/Rockabilly so I'll shortern the odds on him......but wait........look at that....... Phil Jupitus and Elton John just jumped into the equation LOL.... Is there a comparable Ska holy grail? Ian D

I know at least 3 Pop/Rock performers, 2 radio DJ's and a famous artist who will want this too. I think it'll go way beyond most mortals expectations. As you say the tale has spread over the last 30 years and reached a lot of people outside the scene. You can bet there'll be a few people would like to display this in their studios/office/galleries...... Current Betting: Damien Hirst Evens Paul Weller 2-1 Mark Lamarr 3-1 Steve Craddock 5-1 Duffy 100-1 Ian D

Yep, Skull Snaps are one unique group. I loved "My Hang Up Is You" before I even heard "I'm Your Pimp" and then when I saw the artwork that was it! My favourite artwork on an album ever and that drop-down gatefold with the skeleton on was a really bold move for a New York black act and indie label any time leave alone the mid 70's. "It's A New Day" is also one of the most-sampled tracks of all time on the Rap/Hip-Hop scene so it's something of an all-round classic covering a few scenes..... We discovered it first though! Ian D

Yep, Skull Snaps are one unique group. I loved "My Hang Up Is You" before I even heard "I'm Your Pimp" and then when I saw the artwork that was it! My favourite artwork on an album ever and that drop-down gatefold with the skeleton on was a really bold move for a New York black act and indie label any time leave alone the mid 70's. "It's A New Day" is also one of the most-sampled tracks of all time on the Rap/Hip-Hop scene so it's something of a all-round classic covering a few scenes. We discovered it first though! Ian D

And for those of you who are desperate for a pristine Frank Wilson promo, there's one available for £60 right now........... https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?release_id=564334&ev=rb Don't get killed in the stampede LOL. I was gonna snag it myself 'cos I sold my last one for £100 but I'm in a generous mood today. Whoever gets it owes me a drink OK? Ian D

I think he did Chalky. I don't think there's much dispute about 'em coming from ARP........ Ian D

John's being enigmatic and is maintaining a dignified silence as he's busy organising a 'Transporter' with a U.S. military escort to get the record to the 24 hour armed-guarded security depot where it will reside until the auction is concluded! I spoke to John as I'm thrashing out an article on this and he's confirmed to me that this is a bona-fide 3rd copy from a private collector who wishes to remain anonymous, as pointed out earlier in the thread. I'm sure any further details will be released when John confirms the auction dates...... Ian D

No. Promos and TP's are generally royalty free anyway as they're primarily used for promotional/marketing use to promote the record. In the U.S. in the 60's that could be as many as 1-20k depending on the policies of the company and the contract. Most times the artist will receive an advance against any potential future royalties. By the time the record company has recouped the advance, recording costs and other expenses there's often not much left for the artist unless they have a huge hit (and even that can be neglible). In the 60's artist royalties could have been as low 2-5%, so most artists never actually managed to recoup the advance. Artists would not normally be expected to make anything from the resale of promo record or even a low-selling issue, as theoretically, they would have been excluded from royalties on the promo and, if the record had been released, they would been accounted to on any sales from the issue only once the advance, recording costs and other marketing costs had been recouped. Plus record company contracts were not designed to be over-generous to the artists back then, as they're not now. In the case of Frank Wilson the record never got issued, so no moolah. It could be argued that Frank has actually made more royalties from the various re-issues then he would have if the record had actually been released! Maybe he should send a thankyou note to Simon Soussan for boosting his income LOL..... Ian D

It's a 3rd copy Etype69. John's getting rid of it before we flood the market with the 25 issues I found in my shed this afternoon! Ian D

Mmmmm. I've had few of those on Soul Intention SL-001 from a dodgy plant in Bedforshire. Wanna buy some? (Will PM you this afternoon with promised update!) Ian D

Yep, you're right. Just found a 25 count box of issues in my shed! Damn, all that time spent chasing a myth........ Ian D

I've got an album going spare - it's the original one that I hammered back in the mid 70's but it plays just fine (just checked it) and it does have the authenticity of being played at Wigan, Cleethorpes, The Central and Samanthas so the history is embellished within it's grooves LOL..... The top and bottom spines need fixing/taping but it is the greatest Soul gatefold album of all time with just brilliant artwork - check my avatar for a viewing. Just checked "Didn't I Do It To You" and it's great! What an album! Not many that have 3 killer Northern tracks on these days...... I'd say both the album and sleeve are Good i.e. both kinda tatty but eminently playable and a pleasure to behold. If anyone's interested just PM me with an offer.... Ian D

Yep! Ian D

But they'll all want the T-Shirt Rod! Ian D