Spacehopper

if vintage used the labels with tell tale marks how about someone getting hold of the scans and putting them on all relevant websites so dealers and buyers alike know what to look for? he must be gutted dean

i always find it hard to believe people who spend the amount some of these tunes are making havnt got a guide!....are they that minted they dont give a shit about it being a boot and just cant wait for a proper one?...or maybe they dont actually know about the bootlegging side to northern? crazy baby...indeed! dean

by the way im 44 for those who dont know me...never went to wigan my older bruv went to niters and i cut my teeth on the scooter rallies of the 80s... theres also a sequel to quadrophenia been written which apparently is a lot better than you might first think,has the backing of pete townsend and may be made into a film...history repeating? dean

bearsy mentioned camber sands scooter rally..ive.only been going for about 4 or 5 years now djing in the soul room and i can really notice how many more teens and early twenties there are now to when i started...a few years back most of the dance comp were oldies puffing and sweating now the last three were all youngsters ( the winner only 16 according to the new scootering and she's been fourth for the last 3 years),infact some of the older faces who were there didnt even enter....give these youngsters a few more years they will have the money to go by themselves and not with their parents and to soul nites/alniters too i reckon...loads of young bands playing there influenced by the mod scene playing soul covers too kings hall was the same ,always been a few young faces most of which you recognise each time you go...this july shit loads ive never seen up there before...not just in the 70s clothes but also more and more of the mod look... as for djs and ovo...going back to another thread they might not have the money for the top tunes but as has been said there are loads of tunes they can afford..and anyway....we all started somewhere...plenty reissues and boots played at those youth clubs when you were younger! go go children in bristol (another big...ish city)has loads of youngsters some really into the soul/mod thing others just passing through lovin the quality music dancin how they wanna.... i think some people take OURselves a little too serious...this music will last forever,yes the scene will change as it always did before there was a nostagia side to it,it may get smaller but maybe thats a good thing...i hear wigan wasnt as good when it was popular after the mid 70s(TOTP etc) anyway... so dont panic..might not ever be THE scene of the young folk in general like punk,ska,new romantic etc but then again youngsters today dont seem to have big waves of certain genres like the good ole days...probably cos the 'charts' today are full of pop stars with half tidy vocals but are singing songs written by middle aged millionaires...so most credible young scenes today that are actually made by younsters are underground thats what i think anyway dean

first time at kings hall about 5 years back so many tunes ,some of which i was a bit board with but some how sounded so much better in that venue...acheing feet about to leave and then benny troy ...ok just one more dance also a certain des parker tune at cheltenham a few years back which i can not reveal but was a 'run up to the decks moment' i'll never forget...and the last cheltenham ,was it long after tonight.... or it will never be over.... not sure but the lights up and everybody singing! soul sam spinin angela davis at lifeline last year...first time we'd heard it and looking up seeing nicci on the same buzz dean

'paradise' is a beautiful track but agree to slow to dance...unless its in a blues and youre stuck to a woman!! dean

agree ...reggae and'classic'..and i mean genre not big oldie... northern soul...very different but then again most nights dont just play 'northern' soul anymore..lots of rnb,crossover etc all with different 'feels' but work well together

ha ha..can see this thread getting interesting..i better word this carefully dont wanna get wrong with anyone!! .there are nights ,my own included which play certain kinds of reggae and ska alongside soul and rnb,it works very well,the crowd love it and its advertised in advance,note i said CERTAIN kinds of reggae,even at go go children you wont hear,roots ,dub, dancehall,twotone or in fact anything after about 73 (although thats doesn't mean the dj's dont like it!!)....seans been finishing with that steph mckay(i think) vocal to double barrell for a while now and everytime ive seen him do it 'most' people have stayed on the floor ...i cant see the problem with the odd reggae tune at a soul nite...(told him after he had big balls to play it at kings hall though!!).. ....after all,l cant stand modern but have to put up with it at times in one room venues...and musically as far as arrangement and recording techniques despite being called soul,modern has no resemblance to the black american music i love, reggae(65-73) and early ska has more in common with60s rnb and 60s and mid 70s soul than modern does IMHO!!...infact studio one was 'the young sound of jamaica' nicked from motown as were the designs for the lps and a lot of the tunes they recorded were covers of soul tunes both comercially big hits and not...the producer coxsonne dodd would travel to the states and bring back loads of sevens to 'addapt'...the 'vocal harmony groups' of reggae like the wailers were all influenced by the impressions etc...its true i think to say if the states wasnt a short hop from the caribean and JA being in listening distance to the florida radio stations reggae would probably have never happened and jamaica would have just played a tuffer version of soca ... ...saying all this thought i dont think whole reggae sets are right for 'soul' nights...but then i also dont get annoyed when modern tunes are played...just have a well needed breather normally! ofcouse im biased despite buying soul records before reggae i was a reggae dj with a sound system for years before i started playing soul out...although even at go go i dont play any reggae,leaving it upto john s. but yes...as toots said...reggae got soul! keep on skanking oops i mean keep the faith!! dean ps the record sean played was out and out reggae...there are loads of jamaican soul/rnb tunes ofcourse plenty good enuff to play at soul nights...patsys version of blues in the night being one

been reading this thread all week and some very interesting points here is my opinion... i think most of us on here know it takes more than expensive tunes to make a GOOD dj but the original question wasnt about being a good dj but about being one of the TOP djs... so how do you decide who the TOP djs are?....deciding on good djs is easy its all down to our personal tastes..(.providing the ability to make a set and use the equipement are there which they should always be!)......expensive tunes dont come into it....one mans meat is anothers poison and all that! so would the top djs be those who had residencys at the biggest nights?...or booked up for months in advanced at venues all over the country..the in demanders?...if so then i would say you DO need big money tunes and I will never be able to afford to be one of the top djs...checkout all their playlists(if they put them on here)..even if they played some of the great cheaper tunes out there i bet most would still be £500+.(which to me is bloody expensive!!) please dont get me wrong ..theres no sour grapes here,i love djing ive done it for over 20 years in different scenes but know AND like my place i will carry on doing my thing hopeing people enjoy it... as much as i'd like to play bigger venues every week i understand why promoters tend to keep booking the big boys...a lot of the paying punters (most of which never post on soulsource) wanna hear the big tunes whether they actually know the value or not and be it an oldies crowd or underplayed/rare...most promoters are not in it to get rich but they still have bills to pay and dont wanna lose so maybe play safer that a lot of the djs thet promote! so there it is right or wrong whether you agree or not..my opinion dean

great tune but no,if i had a grand to spend on one tune it wouldnt be this...but as its a classic oldie it will always sell for big money...and agree with gene'not gonna cry' is a killer and you can get it for about 20 quid!! dean

im not sure about the others swifty but i sold my mel williams for 20 if i remember right and seen one since for the same..and mine was ex...even though it books at 100!...good luck dean

i saw a bit of that and he was talkin about the groups influencing his image ... agree with ted a different era so shouldnt really compare... compare like for like with take that etc then he wins hands down....his tunes maybe pop and wouldnt get played at a soul night but you can hear the soul influence and if it gets youngsters out of hoodies and baggy jeans with no belts and even searchin for the real thing as tunes like some of the tailor made ones in the 70s did then gotta be good hasnt it? dean

3 recent cheap as chips for me... john roberts-ill forget you...killer slightly funky northern on duke...still waitin for this kidnapper-julian and the rubies...great vocal group dancer...$3! tempests-what you gonna do...killer uptempo northern on smash,cant wait to spin this at weston saturday night,first time hearing it loud got all three for under £30

shes almost you-billy harner OR EX £7 get on up-esquires BUNKY VG++ drill hole and sticker on labe l£5 and get away-esquires BUNKY VG++ drill hole £5 stop breaking my heart-tom jones UK DECCA(SILVER BOX) VG+ £5 girl in trouble-the fawns TEC stomper! EX £5 chained to your heart-bobby moore CHECKER EX £10 great tune for a tenner wrong number-lee charles REVUE EX £7 good dancer once upon a time-the orlons ABC (styrene)VG++£10 classic £50 the lot and post in uk free STOP -THE OTHER ONES ABC(BLUE ISSUE) VG++HAS SOME LIGHT SCATCHES NOT 'FEELABLE' BUT MAKES MINOR SURFACE NOISE ON DEAD WAX AND SHORT BREAKS BUT MUSIC LOUD AND CLEAR WITH NO POPS ETC...BOOKS AT £200 NO DIFFERENCE IN GUIDE FOR DEMO/ISSUE,MANSHIP HAS A DEMO ON HIS SITE AND SAYS 'STUPIDLY RARE A WONDERFUL VOCAL GROUP NORTHERN SOUL'...£60 just picked up a mint demo,as this is still a great player was gonna sell the demo as its worth more but looks too nice..bit sad i know! P+P £1.50..recorded,insured a bit more but at cost dean

i think we all take this a bit too serious sometimes,maybe because we love it so much we cant wait till the weekend comes so were on the web chatting shit...is the scene split ? not in my opinion i go to all types of night rare soul,oldie and even those that play latin,mod or ska alongside soul SHOCK HORROR!....i dont just do one type of night or the other(although imsure there are those that do),it depends on whose playing...even without the internet most of us know what kind of styles different djs play...and if they dont play what makes you dance chill out! the next dj might... even back in the nostalgic hayday there were venues/djs that were known for being different with people prefering one to another its nothin newdean

and its not exclusive to the uk soul scene either as jamaican sound systems way back in the 'ska' days were doin it ,physically covering up or scratching the artist and title off the label....and as this would have been even before the wheel days must be a natural dj thing where the tunes are soooo important dean

some good tongue in cheek (i hope) posts on this thread but also sadly a lot of negative thinking ones which is strange cos when i go to a soul nite most people i meet are very positive and dont normally think the worst of people its also gone from about requests to why put a playlist up at all...you are entitled to your opinions ofcourse but personally i do it simply to tell people what im playing at our night...no ulterior motive...not looking for bookings ...not cock waving ! most if not all of my tunes are easily available...as for ashamed or embaressed to play it .... why the f*ck have it in your playbox ?..... i always have a ruff idea what im playing,a mix of new buys...recent spins our younger crowd are getting to know and classics for the oldies fans...but if someone requests a tune ive got it makes it interesting trying to work that tune into a set and then you may go off on another tangent and some of the tunes you thought you were gonna play get left till next time and tunes get played you'd completely forget about... think i played 2 requests last week...the first was i surrender ok an overplayed tune but still a good record and the person requesting was a new comer to our night. so why not? after all i want him to have a good time and comeback ..the second was the flip of bonnie brisker i had played earlier which was requested by a youngish regular...he knew i had it obviously and its another nice tune......a lot slower than most i play so i enjoyed working a few slower tunes in around it...although soon had requests to speed it up again which suited me fine! at the end of the day i like looking at playlists to see what people/venues are playing im interested... im not judging...i ,wrongly it seemed, thought that was the point and most people thought the same way.. dean

despite the yate allnighters of the past bristol is also a bit of a desert...we have got long established 70s/modern nites in soul train and hot buttered soul....getting together have been struggling to get a venue this year so go go children is the only venue playing 60s northern,we dont play the same old tunes but we DO play rnb and even ska and a little british beat so its more of a mod night than a soul night...although hardly any local mods or scooterists turn up(probably cos we dont play frank!)...but we are busy and getting loads of youngsters in so the futures looking good luckily for me we have wooten hall allnighters,riverside and soulfusion in gloucester, bridgwater soul nite and new nights starting in bath next month and weston supa mere in june...aswell as the goldsoul weekender in weston over the august bank holiday...but only a handful travel from bristol dean

The only reason I can think of is that it might give others an idea of the sorts of sounds the dancers are asking for at a venue rather than what the DJ thinks they should hear. yep...not embaressed to play anything in my playbox...isnt the whole point of 'playlists' on soulsource is to show others whats been danced to around the country..so if its the dancers choice and not the djs why not tell us that too dean

thanx for your replies ,saw the boot for 30 but have now got one through ss for a more realistic 12....i too am sure ive seen recent boots of the sparkles...but never when you want one! dean

time marches on-laine hill keep running away-bits and pieces try my love-sparkels dont worry baby-bessie banks cheers dean

ummm i wonder ?... ...dont suppose whoever it was would remember it as much as me though...my ear loked like a red cabbage ,was a f+++++ putting my crash helmet on for days ! strange how history repeats its self...people doin football,soul alnighters and drugs in the 70s..then people doin football,rave allnighters and drugs in the late 80s..which i believe put a stop to football violence for a few years...shit drugs around nowadays and it seems to be coming back dean

have you ever been played for a fool-willie williams mr green mrs green-gladys tyler everybodys happy but me-cheryl williams im the one to do it-lavern baker dont play-joe tex dean

cant put clips up but recent funky buys for me that you can still dance ina northern style are... kenny ballard-it sure looks good good lovin-rock robbins,,tunes a lot better than his name! showstopper-richard knight ask me no questions-eddie armen she gotta have soul-bobby blackmon get down-harvy scales dean

wasnt at nites in the 60s or 70s but for me the scooter rallies of the 80s were full of trouble including north/south divide and football related...still got photos of the aftermath of mini riot in a pub at lunchtime lunchtime,cant remember where,one seaside town looks the same as another 25 years on!.....all scooterists drinkin together to start with...then the football songs started as the pints went down...then the pub got smashed to bits...my photos of the two sides on opposite side of the street with black police vans everywhere... can also remember the clacton 'mod' rally in 85,been to a tony class do we seemed to be the only ones not from london..sitting on a wall outside a chippy too pissed to stand,someone talking to me about london next thing he twats me around the head with a walking stick with a metal handle..as you'd expect i went down like a sack of s***..can remember hearing my mate sticking up for me and he got some too...his mrs wouldnt speak to me for weeks i dont do so many scooter rallies today and they like the soul scene arnt so violent but its still there sometimes...weston last year or the year before..bristol and cardiff,started over pushing at the bar but local football rivalry probably didnt help...that was in the main venue and you could feel the tension as soon as you went in so we went back to the 'soul only' venue where it was a lot more chilled as for the ' casuals' in the 80s can remember them ....as a scooterist had some run ins with them too ! think its all a bit more chilled today on the whole as MOST people have grown up and couldnt give a f*** anymore,nuffin to prove also some shit gear sold on rallies back then...so im told dean