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has lil major williams been released legally on a cd? i only have it on a complimentary cd from an event

'complimentary cd from an event' eh....the sole reason the Northern cd business is knackered. It's even worse than Ala Carte!

Mark,

I think this outfit are from Telford. We had to lean on them for distributing a box set called The Northern Soul Top 500! Flattering maybe, but we get calls for it even though we are not in the cd or vinyl business.

Sadly, if you look around various web sites you'll find 'choose 20 tracks for £4' like one site in Lincolnshire and with the amount of 'anniversary and charity' discs knocking around, the Cd scene was murdered a good few years ago.

If you thought carvers and vinyl reissues were bad, the cd burning is way out of control. Think 1,000 illegal cd's a week and you might be near the mark.

Chris is on the show as a mystery guest connection to his former No.1 chart single 'please don't go' by KWS.

Enjoy!

No but I'd like to.....

Divas of Motown. 2 cd set from Universal. Chris Clark, Mable John etc etc

The one I gave away was an advanced promo and due out next month.

 

I am a feature writer at the Manchester Evening News. hoping to do an article about the Official Northern Soul World Dancing Championship at the weekend. | was hoping to contact someone in our circulation area (Greater Manchester and north Cheshire, really) who is a keen dancer, will be competing in Blackpool and can tell me all about  the dedication of the northern soul fraternity, how the scene works today etc. Someone who also has memories of Wigan Casino would be ideal.

 My email is paul.taylor@men-news.co.uk

 

as regards about you two being responsable about all the trouble by golden 101, i think thats a cheap shot by yourself , no one has given any names about weekenders or included any names of a weekender , but if the cap fits, i myself think that your a fine one to talk about underhand things , when a certian lady started calling yours on s, source , she was threatened with legal action, if your going on about the weekender i think you are , then why dont the promoters who run it , defend it, or are you in on the organising on that one too, and its a common practice by the promoters of said weekender to give away passes and accomadation to fill it and i know this as a fact, but thats not what the thread was about so why turn into that or is this just another witchhunt on your behalf ,, thanks kev

Meow!

The "why" is complex I guess. The equity in any brand (and like it or not Out of The Blue is a brand) is best measured in cash value benchmarked either against its competition or or its previous value. If the brand owner doesn't value it why would anyone else. Your door policy is devaluing your efforts IMHO. It makes me think that the night is just some background in a high street pub that could have anyone in it and if its a pub that can give the night away free at the weekend is this the type if Manchester pub I'd want to take my wife into? (I used to love the Beehive on Claremont Road on a Saturday but never took my wife in there) This is the perception it gives. A perception may be right or wrong but it is still a perception.

I suspect if I did go though I'd hear things to make me take notice and I have to wiegh that against the 'free night in a pub' perception which will stop me ever finding out.

I wasn't just refering to the local 'oldies off CD nights' there are some big venues that leave me cold.

This isn't only confined to Soul Nights, a major Weekender is now that reliant on bar sales to keep it afloat, there are as many free passes as you like provided you bring along a bunch of mates who can drink enough ale to sink a battleship to show "Bar sales"! This is all well and good but where are the "True Souls"?

What a cheap

shot from the very two banned from the very weekender they are talking about !

If anybody creates bad politics it's you two!

Ruffin, fundamentally a bad person with a great voice.

A truly wonderful voice who was certainly one sandwich short of a picnic.

I interviewed him in 1988. At Mcdonalds he ordered £90 worth of Cheesburgersf

for 5 of us! Now I know why I put on weight.

Ludie Montgomery(Tammi's sister) is a great friend of ours and she confirmed

the great man's bizarre behaviour.

Yep, that aside.. Listen to You're My Everything as he shares the tortured vocals with Eddie K.

OK, that's strange! Works alright for me.

Perhaps you have to make the changes on both the .co.uk and .com sites? I don't know.

I'm Sebastian by the way, not Benji.

Anyone had the discomfort of receiving emails from 'auction winners' who apparently have not received their goods after 2 days citing 'if it doesn't come tomorrow, we are going on Soul Source to complain'? The record business...you can keep it!

Nige Brown the guest after 8 this Saturday discussing the Torch Reunion on Oct 24

Kev , are you more p*ssed than me or am I missing something ?

Swifty

No but I feel like it now. They obviously used some of the tracks I compiled for the Soul Time series for Sony/ BMG

I knew meeting Bev Callard on holiday would have it's consequences!

Didn't see Norris getting too enthusiastic though!

Fully expecting Ken Barlow to do a back flip any minute!

So it's "bang out of order" to hand out a few CDs gratis at a soul night, but perfectly ok to commercially sell 1000's without licernsing and fair dues to the recording artsists; licensees and publishers.....talk about kettle and pot.....it's politicians and duck houses again...

WC....the thread is about Charity. I alerted something that is clearly a hidden source of income for a fair few on here and it's rife!

My prediction is, at least 1,000 illegal CDs a week are conveniently being distributed on doors up and down the country.

I should know, I have purchased several 'anniversary and charidee' CDs on Ebay in recent weeks. Any comment

on that little item?

Do not make statements without any real facts. I took instructions from my MD at Goldmine for 11 years. I left the company in 2002.

At no time did Goldmine ever encounter legal action. What happened after 02 ain't my concern

apologies for highlighting the 'new black hole in the Northern scene economy' either the lack of support(apart from Ken!) is due to no one cares or the perpetrator are scurrying under tables.

None of which makes any difference to us, we no longer distribute CDs due to the decline.

Hopefully Ace/Kent are not naive enough to think that now Goldmine are gone that it paves the way for increased sales?

The doors at many a Soul night are their new competition.. Sadly.

oh, you're back are you mr roberts, can you say hand on heart , that all the tracks released on goldmine / soul supply were legitiitmly licenced ???????

We are discussing things surrounding charity events.

Free CDs given away are bang out of order in my humblest of opinions.

No fault laid on the punter

For the record,I vacated my position at Goldmine several years ago. I was an employee not the head honcho!

Now back to Charidee.....

Any reason why you have singled out my post for your rant?

I don't run a charity event, or any event for that matter, and I certainly don't sell CD's!

Joan. Not at all. I'm just sounding off, as this type of activity is overlooked and it actually the main reason I am no longer in CDs. I simply cannot sell them due to the easy access of 'charity discs'

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As the starter of the thread, glad too see I managed to alert a few to it.

I too bought it from a source on Amazon for £8.50, how do they do it?

Hopefully one day I'll get a promo once I get a few gigs under my belt!

Simon.. No, it's nothing to do with a homemade production such as 'wrong side' it's a just a belting unreleased that Ady turned up.

Ironically. I met her in 1975 in Downstairs records, New York with her manager John Bennings who handed me a test pressing of Love Has So Many Meanings.

I gave it to Ian Levine to break at the Mecca as Wigan was totally unsuitable.

Back to Lily Fields on Kent, my no.1 spin on Radio from this weekend.

There is also the issue about which charity it is.

Some people won't support animal charities. Whereas others will only support charities that do work in this country.

It is an emotive subject. Anything could happen

Charity eh.....a very convenient way for some promoters to sail on by unoticed.

I've counted tons of 'charity' events conveniently running off hundreds of CDs to give away on various nights.

It's totally bollixed the niche market of cd sales, yet everyone turns a blind eye!

We are not in the music business anymore, but still find it hypocritical to see a fair few on here continually getting success at venues simply working the old 'first 100 get a free cd'

If you ever thought vinyl reissues were bad, check out the reams of 'anniversary and charity cds' currently handed out gigs and sold openly too! Vinyl is minor believe me to this almost accepted epidemic.

Check out the Lily Fields unreleased track on the GWP pt 2 cd from Kent.

Absolutely mind blowing.

Not The Marrying Kind - Kenni Lewis

Wake Up To The Sunshine Girl - Joey Delorenzo

Someday The Sun Will Sine - Deon Jackson

plus the unreleased Motown tunes discovered since Wigan - Lewis Sisters, Brenda Holloway, Barbara McNair etc.

Unreleased RCA stuff - Sharon Scott , Lorrainne Chandler - "You Only Live Twice" etc.

September Jones unreleased tracks

The already mentioned "Love Finds A Way"

Think all the above would have seen some Station Rd dancefloor action

Absolutely. Surprisingly though, my favourite unreleased track until Kent issued it is Aint You Glad- Mill Evans. Even this 5 star epic would have failed.

dont forget a big difference from then and now... the djs then djed at a venue EVERY week.....and were able to break these sounds

Mark....make that every night. During my time working for Burton/Daniels agency in 73/74 I worked 7 nights a week.

You are spot on. This is why the youth back then remember Moses Smith, Salvadors etc and don't know The Antellects.

Simples.. To quote an overly used word!

Jackie Day's Naughty Boy would have been massive in the early stages of Wigan's life.

I heard George Soule- Cross My Heart recently and that too would have been a title contender.

The Casino really had no rules. The Velvet Satins was huge, the Servicemen-Are You Angry wasn't.

One of my favourites is The Inticers that too failed.

The Parliaments recent giant Rainy Day would have failed against the Javells.

We were all very young back then and the euphoria swept away any gameplans we may have had.

Thankfully most of today's venues play the best of today and the past.

I always remember getting a wants list in the mail from Ian Clark, during my time in New York 1978.

Eddie Garrigan. Wakefield Sun, Bobby Diamond, Peter Jarrett, The Buckinghams, Jamie, Burning Bush etc etc

Hey, but years later Larry Trider, Joey Delorenzo. So not much has changed.

There are quite a few of Butch, Mick H's spins I absolutely love, but then again I can't stand Teardrops by Soul Bros Inc neither Holly St James.

Opinions opinions! Sorry Russ if I got slightly off topic.

Silhouettes enticed me Kev.Thought it was a classic Wigan sound. .Of course lots of quality tunes cleared the floor as well - Ernie Marbray for example

Surprisingly the Silhouettes wasn't as big as you may think. It matured like a fine wine.

Ernie Marbray was one of my failures in mid 74

In 1973-1976 maybe not Kev, but Richards late Wigan spots, imo were his best ever, and some of the recent stuff would have been played, and made popular by him based on quality alone, if they had been around then.

True

After a comment on a Look Back thread today, i thought the remark might be interesting as a thread on its own 'the new stuff thats around just don't cut it....would'nt have then and does not now...'. Now instead of this turning into a sh*t slinging contest, how about records from the last 10 years that could prove this remark wrong I'll start:

Mello Souls

Tommy & the Derbys

Roy Roberts (Sugar)

Sheepherders

Johnny Praye

There are loads n loads more including almost all 100 Club 45's. So c'mon lets post up the monsters from the last decade that would have also taken the roof off the WC.

Russ

Hi Russ,

As the original DJ there along with Russ W, I can assure you none of the above would have worked.

There's a handful that would have done the business..Joe Jama and Bill Bush spring to mind, but the receptive audience had so much to choose from and, don't forget the playlist

was short. We might only play 100 records a night due to 2,3 and 4 plays a night.

Wigan was unique in it's make-up. Today we are older, wiser and willing to accept different styles.

If the Seven Souls and Silhouettes failed to entice at Station Rd, I can assure you the Mello Souls would have failed.

In my humblest opinion of course!

Kev

can i pick the tunes

Course you can.. Providing it's Landslide, Lou Pride and Chuck Wood!