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Ady, put them both out on Kent Select, maybe with an Inst. on the flip, "Same Old Thing" springs to mind, and consign those Foul Sox boots to the past.

Good call. But Kent may struggle with some of the multi tracks to mix down from. The last time I saw some of them they were in the hands of a French Moroccan guy, who's name escapes me.

Jim. Please try and be nice and lighten up.

Will that be cinema release or straight to dvd kev ?

I would assume a cinema release.

YES!! YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORDS, GIVE AWAY..AS OPPOSED TO ADVERTISING AND SELLING THEM ON LINE OR IN A SHOP, TOUCHED ON A NERVE????

running them off and giving them away is illegal! Doh!!

Hello Kev,

I can't (and don't) dispute that Soussan may have had certain dealings (of whatever nature) with Mirwood at one time but due to his dreadful reputation hardly anyone is likely to believe him anyway

Because so much of what he did was so dishonest and / or illegal, people naturally assume that everything he ever did was dubious. That's human nature.

Any legitimate things he may have ever done have been completely tainted.

Someone should write a book about him.

Paul- The author of the 'book' ought to be Ian Dewhirst. He knew the inner workings of a frighteningly talented mind.

I am not here to defend him against anything he may have done to collectors or record industry persons.

But we need to have facts, instead of continually 'finding him guilty' everytime we speak of the legend.

Incidentally, It's a shame you never met Nate McCalla and Morris Levy..... you might have a wider viewpoint of the Record Industry back in the day.

As they are no longer with us, try the new Tommy 'Mony Mony' James book 'Me and the Mob'. If I had Soussan's address I'd treat him to a copy. Rivetting!

Stay well.

YOU AND TONY EXEPTED HOW MANY MORE CD COMPILERS PAY ROYALTIES???? JUST BOOTLEGGERS

Starting with hundreds of promoters burning off CDs to give to customers for free. Any comment on that little item?

So why the artist, producer, arranger, writer and title changes? He couldn't have done more to screw it up apart from sing it himself. He obviously didn't have access to the correct recording or songwriting information and the reason for that is bleeding obvious. You want to believe it because he tricked you and Goldmine into giving him a load of

money for something he never had the rights to; it wasn't just the US label owners who he fooled.

Ady- You could be right but maybe you are wrong.

Look, Soussan gets a bad rap from you and others. No problem with that. But he has acted decently with some of us. Just ask Ian Dewhirst, Les McCutcheon, Neil Rushton to name a few.

He clearly had a cavalier attitude towards the Record Business, but I only say as I see the Mirwood episode in as much as Soussan and Randy Wood had a ongoing relationship, for which Goldmine believed he had rights.

Shute... Keep on playing yer Soul Foxers. Ady....Keep on discovering more gems from this legendary label

ps Get the Bobby Angelle- Soldier Boy out on vinyl!

Souled Out retitled Soul Boy is near release.

I'll leave this kangaroo court upto messrs Croasdell and Mooney. Here's one thing that is absutely stone true no matter what they say... He had rights to Mirwood at one time and the Soul Fox titles featuring Randall Wood output were legal.

Just as a side issue, I brought Sherlie Matthews to

SoultripUSA along with Marva Holiday. I explained to her that Soussan had rights but I expect his dealings with

Wood would leave her in the dark, just as she had been since 1968 when the company folded!

Good to see Ace are passing on royalties to her.

But as I say.... Soussan did have rights at one time!

Over and out.

When you say me, I don't remember confusing Madelon Baker for a man! Evidence?

I beg to differ.

He had rights with Randall Wood at the time, had some dealings with Baker. Whatever else he's done, is of no concern to me, but he certainly paid Wood a heap of money.

Remember, I have seen Ace's signed contract with the 'Mirwood owner'.......As Ted said 'it's the best we've got'

Unless you were there at the time, this difference of opinion will run and run.

I also met Audio Arts owner Madelon Baker whom Soussain clearly hadn't put you up to speed on as she was a woman, not a man as you once described her. She told me that Soussain stole tapes from her and as no paperwork was ever found of a deal between Soussain and Randy Woods in his extensive papers, that scenario may well have repeated itself and would explain the instrumentals. If he had paid any money he would have had a receipt at the very least to show you guys that you were licensing from a legitimate source. As you don't appear to have any copy of such a piece of evidence, I think it was very naive of you at the very least to a) believe him, license from him.

ADY....You did not deal with Randall Wood, Soussan did!

Our mutual contact Bob Fisher has the perfect line about licensing non hits.. 'not everybody knows everything'

You have done a typically marvellous job in bettering the Goldmine efforts with your usual high standards, but you

were not present in 1975 when Soussan paid Wood over 5 figures. Sure he may have got titles wrong in his conveyer belt attitude towards manufacturing. He was a hurried

individual, but HE HAD RIGHTS.....as much as you guys

want to believe otherwise.

For instance,where the heck did all those instrumentals come from?

Unless we were there at the time of Soussan's deal with Randy Wood.....we can only guess.

shute,,whos gonna tell u off,,ive played the soul fox -mine exclusively inst out b4 and i dont give a shit what anyone thinks...

Technically they are originals, although no one takes Soul Fox seriously, but then again that happened to Goldmine, until Ruby Andrews(GS 009) just went for £62!

Tone- I'm not defending him as a whole, I am merely pointing out that he did have a relationship with Randall Wood and, certainly had rights. I should know, I saw correspondance between both parties.

From a positive point of view, Goldmine released a chunk of it and made available a terrific catalogue.

Kent enhanced that work and have given us fantastic quality and packaging.

Trust me, I'm not Simon's number 1 fan, but I knew him well. He did certain things right, as much as you want to believe otherwise.

On a separate note, Westbound Northern Soul is simply.. Fantastic! How good is the Detroit Emeralds- Holding On.

Great job.

No, they were two unissued tracks that Soussan stole from Mirwood. They're now owned by Ace and are legitimately available on Kent CDs.

Jackie Lee's real title is "Anything you Want". The Belles

is also mistitled but i can't be arsed to walk round to the

Ace CD library to see what it was really called! If Ady's

lurking he'll tell you...

Tony is way off in his description of Soussan stealing Mirwood tapes. Randall Wood the former owner used Soussan as a cash source when he hit hard times(fact!)

SS was certainly a colourful character, but he was legit in his purchase of Mirwood tapes.

The problem is, he didn't tie up paper work correctly, hence the conspiracy theories.

Ace dealt with another 'Mirwood owner' and they believe they have the rights. Good luck to them.

As former label manager at Goldmine, I helped Ace along with Goldmine reach a satisfactory conclusion.

Soussan on this occasion has cleanish hands....in my humble opinion.

Some great posts on here.

What does it all mean?

Really there are at least two very different scenes that like similar music and dance the same. And it's as simple as that.

The dominant one in terms of numbers is oldies based and

is relatively commerical these days and has little to do with the aspirations of an underground music scene as say existed in the days of The Wheel, 70s etc. Retro clothes / Baggie trousers, beer towels, Top 500, Frank Wilson and Sandi Sheldon, Wigan revivals, patches and varying levels of memorabilia from the mildly puzzling to the downright

offensive. The members of this scene are trying to relive something that existed decades ago.

Then a much smaller scene in terms of numbers that also likes some oldies, but also likes to hear different music too. No fashion beyond casual, little / no memoribilia. Very

much not trying to relive the memories of the past.

Both scenes are broadly friendly, and clearly there is a degree of crossover between the two, but let's just be honest and recognise there are two different scenes here with a completely different outlook.

Steve- Just a reminder.... The Northern Soul Top 500 is full of all time greats. I doubt that 300 of them rarely get played by the, well.. Top 500 crowd!

Maybe a few could share a mistaken identity moment at soul events..

I have had quite a few folk ask me at Prestatyn weekenders..." what time are you on " , they seem to think with my dark features i must be one of the acts..

setting up a table at future weekenders and charging for autographs, could make a few quid out of it maybe

Also had a guy at Crossfire ask " are you Carl Fortnum "

Plus another at Cleethorpes but i really can't tell that story

on here

Lydia and a certain lady at Cleethorpes last year, even i got them mixed up by the Sunday night..

Please share your mistaken moments.. A little light relief is welcome i think..

I get you mixed up with several characters. None of which I'm prepared to name!

If any promoter is interested, Rujac/Atco recording artist

Winfield Parker is available for UK gigs.

Contact:

Winfield.Parker@comcast.net

Sally worked the Cruise Liners for a while and briefly starred in Eastenders

Guys- Richard no longer works for Smooth.

If you PM me I will submit his contact details once I know what the query is.

Jay D Martin and John Bowie were late 76 early 77, unless they were played, dropped and revived again - not on any of my early tapes

Jay D Martin was a floor filler as early as mid-74. Yours truly ran with it along with the Jewels! Pete....you are so young!

thought they were on russ's banned list

They were!

Gary Lewis, Lord Thunder, Shawn Robinson, Snoopy Dean, King Sporty, Detroit Executives as a starter for 10.

Thanks for the interest. Seriously though, I will decide on which comes first later this year. The NS Top 500 did very well and has been out of print for 2 years, so my distributor is banging on the door for a re-print or new version. As we have pretty much come full circle, I want to complete the 'definitive' version and leave it at that.

I used to be able to rattle off all 92 grounds....back in the day. Scunthorpe were non league then weren't they?!