Goldsoul

Why would a promoter trying to organise a Torch revival want a DJ to run a modern room, or am I missing something?

Steve- Chris wasn't planning a Torch revival. He has a separate venue for his themed promotions at the Floral Hall, Tunstall.

The Box issue came about when the owner of said venue specifically requested him in to promote All Nighters at the venue. Clearly playing two promoters off against each other.

Jez Jones(conspicuous by his absence) did speak to Chris Burton and exchanged emails before this all blew up yesterday.

Why do you say that? That's hardly being decent now is it.

 

I have seen the emails from the Box owner to Chris....they make interesting reading. Good luck to Jez Jones and his good work at the venue.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM seems like someone has not been very truthful here, Jez had a call last night from a well respected DJ & Record Dealer to say he had an email from you Kev stating you were doing an All-Nighter at the box and would he take charge of the Modern room, we are trying to get a copy of the email from this DJ.

Email....on behalf of Chris Burton. He doesn't know those DJ's.

I think you'll find the owner of the Box is none too happy over all this and emails confirm he wanted Chris in as the All Nighter promoter.

I have been more than decent in making CB walk away. However, the venue and Jez Jones looks like a marriage made in hell!

Did we fail....?

I know I moved on cus I couldn't work with certain members of staff at the venue......the 4 promotions I was involved with were very successful.

The manager asked me countless times to return, even when Chris Burton moved in......I could probably return tomorrow if I wanted.....

Where you not involved with Chris at this venue and why did Chris Burton move away from the venue?

Ha ha....comedy gold!

More than happy to see you take on the Kings Hall again.

I think I'm referring to two guys on this thread that started running All Nighters 3 miles away from the Kings Hall Stoke. They failed and moved on.

Shades of The Queens Burslem and the Kings Hall Stoke spring to mind.

The current promoter is one of the most decent guys on the scene, and if I recall right has had a lot to do with previous torch reunions . I have been at this venue when Chris Burton has flyered his events and was made to feel most welcome by all. Talk about sh***ing on your own doorstep !

And what do the booked dj's have to say, because the current promoter is one ! Or is it money over morals?

The Box promoter cannot promote Torch Reunions. That's why he's titled his CO72.

Chris is out of the Box as advised. A wise move.

Agreed he has the right to promote Torch events as he was the owner and all credit to him. Where was he 6 years ago when the scene and all the old Torch regulars, were crying out for a torch themed music night. Eventually this was provided by ex Torch regulars getting together once a year which to me was truly authentic. None of the people who arranged the reunion nights claim to be anything more than ex Torch punters Are you saying that the ex Torch punters are Third rate substitutes? It is nothing more than a gathering of old Torch regulars and ALL THE DAYS proceeds go to worthy charities. My point was there is room for Chris to do his thing,and others to do theirs, but why does he feel the need to arrange his nights on exactly the same day. Is this coincidental or a mistake. I am sure many people would like to attend both venues but this just deprives them of the opportunity.

As I understand he's doing 4 a year at the Floral Hall Tunstall. As for date clashing I cannot see how he is clashing with anyone. He's doing an authentic Torch theme and as the former owner, he has every right to. And judging by his first one which sold out a few weeks ago and isn't on until Jan 24th, I would say fans have bought into the promotion.

Personally, I think the promoter glues it all together, but the rest makes it what it is.....after all, that would be like saying 'Keele is Neil Clowes'.....(except it's now Chris Burton)......

Kev. With respect do you count yourself in there . You used to run torch nights at the kings hall

Steve

Yes and did it well on a grand scale. CB wasn't promoting at that time. Now he is......over to him to add real authenticity.

Mace......Maybe.

I just feel if anyone should deserve to do a proper job on a Torch Revival its CB. Especially now it's in Tunstall.

Nothing much else to say about it

Agreed Chalky!! Nuff said needs to look at his diary more carefully because all next year has made a concerted beeline to put his "Torch Events" to clash the same days with long running likewise events.

Hang on though.....he's every right to promote Torch events. He's back in its original town- Tunstall with a specially themed Torch only event. As the former owner I think the public deserve a more authentic look and feel instead of third division copycat promoters riding on his back.

The Torch is Chris Burton. Accept no substitute.

Credit where credits due.

lets just hope common sense prevails two of the biggest names promoting northern soul in the country and very good at it they are. chris is also a friend of mine so lets hope he does the decent thing and backs off.i had the same thing happen to me at a venue and was gutted so I know how jezz feels come on guys leave us small fry alone its only our hobby you cant have it all!

I just heard from him and he informs he's pulling out. A statement will be posted shortly.

Common sense has prevailed, however knowing what bit I do know about the venue, the owner did want CB in as a promoter. Over and out. Peace!

and If Chris is not on SS then who is this

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/profile/31255-chris-burton/

Does he post? Has he forgotten(he's 74 you know ha!). He asked us to upload and we obliged, as we do for Keele sometimes and the Torch Reunion.

Thanks for advising, I can now send the old dear the link.

Chris Burton had previously commented whilst attending one of the Sunday Soul sessions how well supported and how good the venue was. He should not have even been in contact with the owner. Goldsoul can I take your comments as an assurance that you will be pulling out of running a venue at The Box? Is that correct? If that is the case you have done the decent thing and well done

Goldsoul is not involved at the Box and NEVER WILL BE! Good luck to all concerned!

Different to what the owner has said

The owner wants Chris Burton in....make no mistake about that! I have told Chris....leave em to it and walk away. Hardly the greatest promotion in the world and not even No.1 in Crewe.

hi kev if gold soul have no interest in the box how come it is advertised on your Gold Soul events page

Where? It's not on our website and never has been!

Chris isn't on Soul Source and I uploaded it for him, like I would do say Keele or the Torch reunion(btw great to see it back in Tunstall)

Chris is a friend of ours and I support him on his Torch events, however I'm not with the Box debacle and offered my advice to him by saying 'walk away'.....for which I'm sure he will do.

Venues clashing?? Never heard of such a thing! On a more serious note it would be helpful for any prospective promoter

to look up the efforts of Misters Rimmer and Earnshaw in setting out their venue planner.

I would assume you are talking of oldies nights/nighters, in that case your concern is one thats been ongoing for years,

same old same old really... sometimes two and three do's on in the same town

I think this is a case of the venue owner offering an All Nighter to one promoter and the All Dayer to another...edging is bets so to speak. Clearly a recipe for disaster. And with Chris running Keele down the road, quite why he's even interested in the Box is beyond me.

Hopefully he will take my advice and pull out. He's not on SS by the way.

Obscure 45's ( 60's R&B, Popcorn, Doo Wop, Gospel,Mod Instrumentals and Various oddities)

Its a good record, but as with 1,000's more it just needs a spark from dancers and who knows.

Leonard Jewell Smith is not the Leonard on this track. They are a New York pairing. LJS is from LA.

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Was D&L the first artists to release it then Kev? I assumed it was a mid to late sixties track on StompTown Records, still a good track to dance to though

D&L meaning Duke and Leonard. I had around 200 of it in 1975. A great record but discovered in the middle of Northern's golden era hence it failed.

yea, still one of my favourites, not heard it outside the house for years, but was it first played at WC though?

It was first played at the Mecca in 74 and discovered by Ian Levine. It quickly lost momentum when I had a major hit in New York with various titles including D&L, The Millionaires( Big Bunny) and The Quotations(Di-Venus) in fairly hefty quantity.

yea, still one of my favourites, not heard it outside the house for years, but was it first played at WC though?

It was first played at the Mecca in 74 and discovered by Ian Levine. It quickly lost momentum when I had a major hit in New York with various titles including D&L, The Millionaires( Big Bunny) and The Quotations(Di-Venus) in fairly hefty quantity.

hmm..all about timing..was played quite a bit later on..75 ish...

It was never big in any year. Great flipside too.