Barry

PS 'Breaking Down The Walls Of Heartache' ...as someone who has released vinyl and sees that each release you make (each costing you money) has only two stabs at making it - to cover a Stone Cold Dancefloor Favourite like that....must have meant something. Big up KR!

Corinne Drewery of 'Swing Out Sister' - Real NS girl. I don't think that you can write Anna Ford off as 'someone who was filming'. And Steve Davis, given his wedge, turned a lot of it over to buying Real Soul Music...so don't have a pop just cos he wasn't off his tits on the dancefloor at your local niter - it is about You and not what you want to purvey to others, after all (As Big Sam once said). Kevin Rowland, I feel also it meant a lot to. An amount of the posts I have read seem to be posts about famous people that have just recognised Northern - they don't really count - They don't - I bought a Culture Club record once , but I don't really hope that because of that I will be held up on a CC message board as someone who was prevalent in keeping old BG in dresses. Is Stu Mc more true to NS tyhan KR because he has the option to spread the word over the Radio - I'm not sure. It's about how YOU see it, live with it...and ultimaltely use it to live your life. Nothing to do with your fame.

I've not read the whole thread but, and it may have been pointed out earlier, Otis Redding was quoted as saying that Tom Jones was the most soulful singer on earth. I for one won't argue with that, at the time it was quoted. Check his early albums out - Ten Bob on boot sales all over the UK.

Rob Grant - Mr Invisible - and the likes of whom make the backbone of this scene.

Dave - I know that the above post wasn't your initial response to my airtight view, you have edited it - I'm not point scoring, I don't feel the need to, but that's poor. My Dad would be bigger than yours - but he can't be arsed. I almost feel like I've wasted a small piece of my life responding to this bobbins but I feel safe in the knowledge that I (thanks to you and Chrissie) have given the lurkers summat to smile at. Spectrum Is Green. x

Spot on Toad. I'm pleased you are, very obviously by that post, one of the lucky ones.

It begs dancing to - a true shufflers record - 'Thought I saw you in the park - could be my imagination - then it suddenly went dark....you disappeared - Tried to find you, tried to find you, ain't so easy as it seems, like a needle in a haystack, I see you in all my dreams' - then the genius guitar break over the bassline drops and its just the bomb. Reminds me of Yogi and talcy moccassins. Nice to see people coming back with positive responses to todays unplayed tracks.

Don't duck it Chrissie, you were wrong, just read the post again and don't babble bobbins. Yours lovingly; a caring and bullshit free soulie with nothing in his heart but goodness and happy memories. Love Baz x

I keep reading this kinda post relating to 'Elusive' and just don't get it - it was a staple nighter sound for years, great for the dancefloor and a made for a nighter 70's sound - I love it. I put a founding NJ House jock on, Hippie Torrales, last year and we had a bit of an party after the club, at which point, about 4.30 am, what does he drop? Babe Ruth! - And the proper mix - I fucking fell over.

Dave. My post 'When Wigan Died' was, I would think, obviously drawn from a period within which I attended The Casino - as I cannot speak about any other period, as I wasn't there. Again obviously (if you take the time to actually read my opening gambit), my post singularly pointed toward a particular period - early 1980. Correct? My question wasn't aimed at people who wanted to state that they attended Wigan first and that their period was better than mine - was it? ....Really? The view it appears you are referring to in your reply, as it was the only one I took exception to -therefore it can't really be any other?!l - was... from Chrissie - which had absolutely nothing at all to do with my original question. It was just a personal, if flippant, view by another member at maybe innocently pointing out that for him the Casino died for him at that time - nothing to do with my question - at all. Me and Chrissie then entered into the age-old message board to's and fro's about whose Dad is the hardest - and at the end of my day, it passes a minute but I don't take it personally, this is how people get their shit out. On the back of my above explanation, which I think at heart you knew already - your unnecessary reply puzzles me. I am well aware that people view things differently to me, so please don't condescend. Again, if I can't innocently post a question without getting involved in a w*nky "I don't really like you as you spout your mouth off when yer pissed" altercation with armchair soulies, then I'll leave you to it. That was a lie btw - I won't. Tell me where I went wrong with with this post? Do you see my original question as anything other than a relevant post that may possibly have garnered responses from other Soulies that attended Wigan at the period I initially spoke about? That is without the ill positioned dig, that I think you speak about in your reply, that I received?

Good evening Greg - how's Chester treating you son?

Those replies lads are what I hope to get when I'm here, thanks.

This is such a great example of a track that people had, before it's time, and kept (no cool points to be had in owning it in 1980+) as it was even then, obviously quality.

One that fits the bill for me would be George Bensons - 'On Broadway' - Evison's Number One Modern sound 1980.

Another case of TMG-itis? I do love the fact that people feel the need to spend hard-earned on stuff that just fills a hole over something that they, may musically, love more.

The next time you give your opinion Chrissie, note the fact that I, would never dream of having a poke at it. As ever, with all the respect us Soulies give to one another (or used to) Barry

Bang on - absolutely BANG ON!! Why is there a need to say 'take Searling out of the equation and it wouldn't have been what it was' - and what Wigan did to a generation (whatever time you spent in the lovely old bugger of a building) - Searling WAS there - and teamed with the other fantastic bastards that made my life worth living ever since, made Wigan summat to shout about. At what point do people that purport to love this scene begin to have a go at old romantics and their memories, like myself, to say that it wasn't all that? If you EVER see me have a go at another venue, at a time when the NS scene was inhabited by people who were spurred to travel the country to dance to an incredible form of music, and not just chutzpah about wether their time was better than mine, then ban me. I've proper got the hump at the mo ( ), as I'm sure I haven't tried to push my opinions on this scene on anyone else, unlike others - just share my (happy) memories of my beautiful youth - wholly thanks to the N Soul scene. I know that message boards, in some ways, serve as an egotistical vent within which we can all tell the world what we have done, where we have been, what records we have etc etc - but isn't that why these boards exist, for us to share - you've put in, so why not tell people, they're all the same, we are? Balls to it! I love Northern, course I do - but f*ck you if you want to get all negative on my arse for telling people about my time. Yours lovingly, A low end hierachy Soul Boy, who will still be there when a lot aren't. ps I know I'm milking this but I'm not arsed.

ha ha me and the missus have done the same - whoever puts the old TK cds together is an undercover soulie winder - Tyrone Davis, Rubin etc etc - Well in.

Thanks for that insight Chrissie. Yours (always up for a good discussion) Barry

All it is mate, there's a place for good old laddish musical flippancy. Personally I'm long enough in the tooth to understand that I don't have THE defining line that gives me the right to say that I am right. Whatever we are talking about. I'm big enough to admit that, to you, you are right and I will always be wrong, and I will make inroads into holding back my memories of this scene if it causes you that much trouble - honestly, I will. But to call somebody a C**T on a message board in full view of the world - I think you need to step back and re-evaluate exactly what you have done for this scene. Again, with respect.

Blinkered.

I've been had over, record-wise, by the majority of dealers I've bought from - and well done them. It's a business, just because you and I don't see it that way has nothing to do with it.

I'm sure Chrissie if you had met me socially, you'd like me - as it is right now, I'll just leave you to dislike me form afar. Respect and good wishes.

Now that's a positive mate - but there have been a thousand blackguards on this scene, and every other - that's life - I just don't see the point of character assasination on a, very, public board!?

And I wll never argue with your HO - cos I can't - you will always - ALWAYS - be right - and I respect that.