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As a point of interest, Bernie Hamilton (Captain Dobie in Starsky and Hutch) owned Inculculation Records, and if my memory serves me correctly he co wrote 'You Got The Floor'. The RCA pressing doesn't do the production justice btw, more bollocks on the US issue. Also released with two differing B sides.

I'll put mine up although possibly completely irrelevant to most on here, only a small base of people/friends actually use it and much to the sites detriment they all get on with each other, which is always a bit of a death-knell as regards interest in your site. No arguments, no difference of views, no members, seems to be how it pans out. Anyway it may pass a minute for someone, so here's the link www.onhubertstreet.co.uk/mb

Crock of shite, , please fill me in on how you came to that conclusion. 'Furious' sums the bugger up well.

Stop bragging off, think Peter Kay!

I don't but no doubt the Gamble-Huff heroes will - love the artwork btw. I'm wondering, by the title, if the hook is where the 'We Don't Need No Music' chant that appeared toward the back end of the 70's was sampled from? I'm as interested as you on this. Do you have a sound file?

An obvious Stone Cold Killer of a track. Yes!? (a Brian Rae play for me and my time, and I loved him all the more for it). A standard, expensive, accepted NS, flick past it in someones box and think 'Ooh! - yeah' acquisition - true? Answer me this - why is this whopper not derided alongside other slabs of funk that get the treatment?

Just received sample CD 27 from these lads and I must say there is a certain beauty to seeing tracks on the typed list that are unfamiliar to my noiw-addled head...and then popping the sample cd you receive with the list in the tray and finding tracks that I danced to 10/15 years back but never knew the title of. Is it bad form saying that I don't know everything?? Great spread of Oldies/Standards/70's/Newies/Modern and current in demanders on their list too. ...and most importantly they don't take the p*ss on price either. Proper good lads...so...please check them, their passion and their lists out.

The only time NY's West End Records long and illustrious career has indelibly been linked to our beloved Connie Club/Labour Club game of ....snooker. KY's - 'Hotshot' used to be used as the backing track to the 'Shot Of The Month' on 'Pot Black'....'HOO-HOO-YAY!!'...and just to set the record straight, old 'Interesting Steve' wasn't the only tip chalker that bought Soul....John Parrot was a player at one point too (And no doubt still is).

A truly amazing sounding production, if you have the original Valise release, is Frank Dell's - 'He Broke Your Game Wide Open' - possibly one of the finest, loudest, crisp sounding cuts I've heard on a 7".

Thanks to the fella's who can see where my views lie and replied in the positive, I'm grateful. I think I need to re-itterate the fact that there was a period in All Nighter history, Bradford Queens Hall (Modern Room may I add) in 90/91, that myself and a lad I went to school with, Dave Hawkins, were given a small but timely window within which we were allowed to play our view of danceable, mainly black, music to All Nighter devotee's. I'll not post the playlists again as I'm sure you've seen them - but our ethic at the time was to bring newly released black music (UK/US/European) that we deemed worthy of attention to the NS scene. A large proportion of the stuff we played was House Music, yes, but we also played an amount of what was termed 'Street Soul' at the time, alongside tracks from our more traditional 70's/80's 7" & 12" Modern collections. Obviously we received flak from certain sections within the NS scene, again - each to their own. What did come of our small contribution to this scene, wether you agree with it or not, was we at the very least opened some peoples ears to black musics eternal progression - a lot of standard accepted tracks that you'll hear on floors today were broke during that period. Just to balance that last statement there was a lot of stuff that would probably make yer hair curl if you listened to them now....but Bradford and the majority of tracks that got aired at that time, like every other venue that played turning point music, was simply - a time and a place. Certain tracks were sooo realevant at the time but I wouldn't say that they, in retrospect, would be worthy of inclusion at Nighters nowadays - ironically, the old 'bad joke' term fits that time perfectly....'you had to be there!' I hope this clears up the misconception that 'Soulful House' is a form of music that has crept into the scene of late - it's been there for nigh on 18 years - hardly a 'Johnny Come Lately'!? Also may I be so bold as to add that neither of us, I don't think anyway , were worthy of the 'DJ Dickhead' mantle, a term that I read in another post relating to people who play 'House' music. Not everyone who plays what you see to be 'House' music is a dickhead, far from it, trust me! A deal of 'dickheads' live and breathe the same Soul music as you, gave up and continue to give up the same time in their lives as you do and have done for for music. The difference is that they also manage to see the bigger picture, without being foolish enough to expound that their opinion is the only true and correct one. The post regarding 'space invaders' or whatever also has little relevance to me. Why? As, the day the instrumentation takes presedence over a (yellow/white/black) man or woman singing in a manner that I see as Soulful is the day that I realise I need to take a bit more notice about my understanding of 'Soul'. Here's a little anology: you can sit in your car, floor it, and hit the wall at 100mph with Lorraine Chandler, full welly on your cd player - and die ther being eternally 'true' (in your mind anyhow) to the Northern scene....or you can change the cd, open your mind to the reality of what has happened to this music in your own enforced abscence and live to learn. Soul suicide? Maybe!?

Tony, there's an 'h' in 'thing mate. Should I give you a ring now??? Mmmmm, maybe I will....

Me and the missus have just read through this whole thread again and I must say that we have found it to be a truly informative and enlightening read. Yet another cracking example of a 'Stealth Post'! Meaning it was a belting avenue for certain 'soul lovers' to turn their apparent negative excursions into a positive - if only for the fact that they were able to show the board and its readers their 'soulfulness' by being able to quote the fact that they supported their soul 'heroes' at the time (every cloud ...ay? ) What we did find funny was how easy certain posters found it to (ruthlessly) demean major players in this World...at the same time exposing how little respect they obviously have for them and their work. This thread got me in a mentally similar mode as when our Rex got Distempa!

I suppose we all have attended artiste performances that could be read as 'not exactly outstanding' but don't you think that the main reason you attend any live gig is to actually be in the presence of whoever it may be. The buzz is in actually being with them, in the main. It'll be a rare night that any artist/band can create a performance live that could stand up to the nights and moments you have spent playing or dancing to, their stand out tracks. I'd agree with this thread, as negative as it is, in one respect. And that one respect is - I can honestly say that every night/venue/theatre that I have attended to see an artist live, has not lived up to the world that their productions created in my mind but I still see the fact that I spent time in their presence as a positive. Artists on tour have a wide spectrum of people to please and they tend to be rigorous affairs. They have agents, managers, long-standing fans as well as new members to their cause to accomodate. Just be happy you got to spend a moment, as poor as that moment may be for you, with them.

The over tight two-tone suit wearing, dodgy shade sporting, pork pie hat donning, Nutty Boy prancing, parka buried, over elaborate scooter riding, target-stickered, foxtail flying variety, obviously! I'll take it you've never seen the moderators of this board in the flesh then?

Sold as seen Ste! Not your fault at all - you stated what you had, he read that, wanted it, you mailed it and he paid you. End of. You also have to take into consideration your time and effort advertising the record and also your time involved dealing with the buyer....and we all know time's money. It isn't very Northern Soul I suppose, but then again it's not as if you had it in your box at a Nighter and he nipped back with it ten minutes later is it? It's a case of tough love for me. Apologise, empathise, by all means but don't recompense mate, again, not your fault.

Just another grateful nudge for the Soul Mine lads. Record received in perfect order the very next day, great service seeing as I put the call in after 4pm. Looking forward to my next sample cd and list fella's, you're teaching a (young looking ) old dog, new tracks by the way. And for that you will always have my gratitude.

I have a 12" of it - can't remember the label now, sky blue paper label is all I can pull out. I used to play it at Bradford occassionally.

YO-YO Robin!! Fancy a night out sometime?

Soulful House tracks that qualify for discussion on SS are, and can only be, the tracks that NS dj's play (By definition - people that spend the majority of their time enjoying Northern/Modern - NOT lads that seek out quality 'House Music') The ones that seem to be rolled out time and time again on here are the tracks that have the formulaic NS angle that must, it seems if it is to gain dancefloor acceptance anyhow, go with that. You can only dig so far, with regard to what is deemed 'Soulful House - that is if you are a lad that spends the majority of his time loving music that has always been based around the traditional ideals of acceptable NS all nighter plays. If you don't take the time out to understand any form of music, you never will - and if you are happy posting how terrible other forms of music are to the world, then good luck to you. Heavy rock and country music used to sound the same to me, it still does if I'm honest, but I understand that other people get some kind of solace out of it - all the time you rattle negatively about stuff you aren't interested in is time you could have spent waxing lyrical about stuff that you love. Do you think that lads that are into Modern give two shiny ones if a pure 60's Detroit fanatic tells 'em it's crap? They don't! You can flip that last sentence any way you want. All the NS dancefloor gets treated to, as regards 'Soulful House', are tracks that a long standing 60's/70's/80's Northern/Modern All Nighter lad deems worthy ,- generally, some kind of re-working of a standard, or something that uses 'those' chords and buzz-words that they believe they can get away with with nowt but a half-decent dancefloor reaction and not too much flak. Nowt wrong with that but this music has so much more to offer - and that's the stuuf that you won't hear. See what a Cabbie says when he hears that you have been dj-ing and playing 'House Music' - it generally goes something like "Oh! All that 2 Unlimited stuff/Scouse House/Trance stuff?" Or whatever, I'm sure you get my drift!? And why do you get that response? Because - they base their view on nothing else other than what they are told by the media/radio (as that is all they are able to draw their information from - the radio is THEIR NS scene, THEIR dancefloor) It's all about the information you allow yourself to be open to - all the Cabbie knows/can base his opinion on is whathe is told. Again you can stick any form of music into the above statement. Are you seeing how poor you can sound to other music lovers when you uninformedly rip the arse out of a form of music you don't really understand? I'm not having a pop, just trying to get the point over - all you hear at Nighters (if all you hear is what you hear NS/All Niter jocks play), is just that - one lads view of 'Soulful House'. There is so much more. The DJ Genesis argument sums it up well - a bit of a buzz tune initially, that now seems to attract only derisory comments (See Dustin Wilson - 'Sympathy' etc and a plethora of other 'Modern' tracks given airtime then ignored over the years). Does the fact that the scene majoritively see's it as unplayable make it a bad track? -D Does it f*ck? It's what happens on dancefloors, with anything as it happens -it's fashion - you wear the same T Shirt for three months and you are bored with it - nowt wrong with the old shirt, you are just a bit bored of it, so you buy a new 'un. DJ Genesis was yet another 'House' scapegoat...but at heart it will always be what it was when it was produced - nowt but a nod to Betty, a beatifully made tribute, put together by a lass who gave enough of a shit to spend her time and money showing her faith - HER faith - HER tribute! If you had put all that into your own Eddie Holman (whoever) tribute, I don't think you could find it in you to cheaply berate her efforts? Could you? Should you? Obviously, No! ....but loads have. It's not her fault that Sam or whoever, decided that the time was right for her production to be given 'All Nighter-Time'. Neither does it in my mind make her any less worthy of a round of applause for putting her money were her memories were. That is all the only reason, obviously, that the track was given exposure on the NS scene - one man had the balls to play it and tracks of it's kind, no mean feat alone, but the tracks I see given space on here are the same old, same old. I bet the majority of people on here, even the 60's folks, could do me a top twenty of accepted 'Soulful House' tracks fairly easily Given the fact that sequenced 'House' tracks have been played on the Nighter scene since the 80's (Stinger J, Mink, Demetrius etc), I can't believe how blinkered the scene has been over the years. For example, 'Keep On Pushing Love' is a major label release (RCA), studio sequenced, four to the floor House record - yes, the arrangement has a touch more sophistication, the tempo may be a tad more hip friendly - but that's about it - it is still by definition...a House record. It may have the very pinnable Soul Medal of Our Al singing on it (Al's Soul isn't he?) Name me another Al Green record that has been accepted on a NS dancefloor of late? This particular track is a true example of a great soul vocalist being ignored by a scene (a scene built upon his kind) until a certain arrangement and mix was laid beneath his vocal. An Al Green release played at a nighter majoritively for the mix alone and not the vocal - surely notl? A sequenced, Housey mix at that!? It is a HUGE scene, the 'Soulful House' (pigeon-hole) scene. There are hundreds of quality all nighter playable 'Soulful House' releases weekly, both in the US and Europe - sadly the NS dancefloor gets to hear but a few. I don't throw myself into these diatribes as I wish to see 70's/Modern rooms play more 'House', I am at heart a traditionalist and wouldn't want a quality Modern night that I was attending ruined with willy-nilly poorly chosen 'Soulful House' tracks - I've had nights ruined at nighters with exactly that scenario. What I do think would help all nighters, is a radical re-think of how 'progressive'independant black music is showcased - it isn't difficult to put together a night that can incorporate traidtional all nigher based soul and House. Maleadey makes an effort. It is no bigger a leap than the Northern room incorporating R&B or Popcorn. I know I annoy some people with these posts of mine, I can see that. What I do hope is that the people that I do aggravate may at least see the love I have for this scene. I have it's traditional values built into me, I can't ever lose that. I just don't want it to stagnate....and I believe there is a danger of that if people don't simply...listen.

Nice one Cunnie, definately an eye opener and thanks for the reply. Does anyone see the correlation between this kind of sh*t and 'The Champion' et al?

Nice reply mate. All I am saying is, and here is the question: Would we have the term 'SOUL MUSIC' without currently released black American music? No! We wouldn't! Which will eternally prove any argument against the progression of the afore-mentioned music, welll and truly VOID! Newly produced black Ameican music may not be deemed 'Northern' but by my anal definition, has to be deemed (by histories pages alone) 'SOUL MUSIC'.

Everybody has off days Tony, it's a truth. I think that the above thread would have made nicer reading if the above statement had been the one that you started your thread with.

No big ups to himself Gary, no camera on him, just a lad who knows the script and his passion for his music coming out in his dexterity - and thanks for the response. Respect.

Tony- Knob Off!

I passed on the Woggle on the way in Macca.