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Dave's Missus (Wendy) used to be the manageress of our local BHS Cafeteria (Warrington, early 80's). BHS was the area we used to congregate in after our Friday away-day All Nighter (whizzing, drinking tea, playing with sugar etc). Culminating with our blue and white 'BHS BREWMASTERS' T-shirts (around Oddfellows, Hinckley, Buzzard-time). Just a memory.

I actually preferred the 'Way Of Life' version meself Jocko, as white (in a way that only cowboys can be ) as could be, but a better version (for me that is). In retrospect, I must add that I too caught the Arthur Miles bus back then. I find his efforts, on re-appraisal that is, those of an owd fella jumping on a bandwagon fuelled by us UK Soulies creating enough buzz in for Tong's FFRR label to sign it (I sent 'em it) - but that was then wasn't it? May I add that records and people such as Arthur Miles were part of the development of this scene and tracks like his helped move things on, so I'm not being negative, just stating where I sit now - but his tracks were very much, again for me that is, a time and a place. Give the 'Way Of Life' version another go Jocko - that was the version that got the most air play of the two at Bradford anyhow.

Where did you get the photo of Martin from Congleton Malc?

What is your view on it? You know what I'm on about, terms such as - 'Official second issue, pressed from the original plates' etc Are the amount of 'credible' references attached by 'dealers' to non-original pressings simply yet another marketing ploy as to move their sub-standard (Ouch!) stock? Devils advocate question, I hope some of you don't bite too hard on your pillows now.

The version I, embarrassingly, can't remember puts a belting slant when compared to the original, for me it has a better production and also a more thoughtful (nay, sophisticated) delivery. Not in any way knocking the barn-storming childhood memory that is BP's.

Yes it was: I've gone brain (beer) dead I have it on the 70's album by.......?(apologies, I'm sure someone'll fill in the gaps). 'Put It In A Magazine was the released 7" with Per-son-ally on the flip, I think, Bobby Paris was on backing vocal chores on the same album.

Well said Ollie, you can't buy experience, no, but you've gotta love a lad with common sense and passion.

I have a few of those Ian (it seems that you have to say things like that in message board responses ), nice, but may I ask you, or anyone as it goes, about the Babe Ruth boot that I have - apologies if this is baby stuff but I'm sure you all know how it is (you can't know everything now, can you) - the Capitol release is the cleaned up version and in my opinion, the poorer version and not the version that I own on the boot. I've recently bought the Babe Ruth album, after reading someones views about that LP version on here - and to my detriment haven't played it yet....! Anyway is the bootlegged version I have a boot of the original independant release prior to Capitol picking it up? Is that clear enough or have I done my usual job of clouding a very simple issue?

John Alderton and 'Please Sir!' - good random shout!

Willing to pay a £100er for a M-.

I agree with everything you say Paul about how the NS scene is portrayed, when it is, within the media (but it is always going to be portrayed given the nature of the scene). And I know how a single throw away comment's like yours can be stripped and dissected on boards like this. All I was attempting to get across was the fact that there are scenes that accomodate people who have grown up with, still buy, and love Northern - it's just a shame that they tend not to be dedicated Northern Soul events. The fact that Northern do's are attended by an older crowd isn't a problem either - the older attendee's get, the more beautiful and true to it's roots the scene proves itself to be. I've re-read my post and I possibly could have worded it a tad better, my apologies if I came across in a poor manner, it wasn't intended.

Ay oop Mossy - reply to one of my more white-hot topics and you may get more of a response.

Let us not allow this exchange to degenerate ay fella? I respect you, end of.

The only answer I have left just happens to tie in with your board name mate. And as Magic Lady said (82) - Hold Tight (Don't Let Go). I hope that answers my question!?

...for the right price of course. Please pm me.

If the lads have the staying power required on this scene (I think they have), they may live to regret their comments - hopefully though ay Chrissie? I'm sure in their latter years they would rather be the baggie arsed, patched up Soulie that scares them so much than some 'Umbrella'/R&B loving reprobate.

I watched with interest the piece on the young lads that danced on the Duffy vid on ITV last week - and I kinda could see were they were coming from, they were trying to put a positive spin on Northern, stating that it isn't all about 'old men, patches and baggy trousers' - fair do's, fair comment, it isn't - but their views are obviously borne of being surrounded at their chosen venues by the aforementioned 'owd, patched up baggies'. If you are reading this lads, there are still non patched up, owd looking baggies out there - perhaps you should broaden your horizons a little. That aside, it was refreshing to see young fella's feeling Northern appropriately. Next time though, I think you should note that you were dressed in more stereo-typical Northern Soul garb than anyone I've seen for years, so maybe take it easy on your predecessors next time ay? You looked sharp though, I'll give you. Well in.

But Ade, as a piece of music, I still like it. To move on musically, you really need to listen to things for what they are.

Hi Rick, 'those of us that were in it for the long run'! Mate - that is such a poorly thought out diss - you don't know me do you? ...and I'll not even mention the laughable 'apart from the ten years in the army' line. Anyway, I'll take it that you base your 'I'm more of a Soulie than you' comment on the plain fact that I don't attend nighters as regularly as I once did, as it happens I f*cking gave my poorly paid life over to it for years Rick. For your information, I didn't stop being heavily involved with the furtherance, purchasing, promotion and playing of independant black music to my kind (not even for a stint in the Army???), the day I stopped attending nighters. As you don't know anything about me, may I pose these three questions for you, they may help you along with your general, clueless view of me... Did I stop buying Northern around 1990? Did my love for the music that shaped my youth diminish an iota the day I started playing other forms of black music to people who also loved other forms of independant black music? Do you think that people whom you would see as people worthy of note on the Northern scene, people whom promote events, people whom are mainstays of this scene, people whom also post on this board - do you think they would greet me, in a social setting, with anything less than respect? I think you'll find the answer to the above questions would be a simple - No! The reason I post about Wigan and the nighters I attended in my time are simply because I attended them, am I not allowed to post my memories? Point out to me a reference that I have made in my nighter memoirs where I have stated a negative. I simply post about Wigan and every nighter that I attended heavily because I can and my memories are as relevant to this board as anyone elses. I don't know you Rick but if GOD gave us the option to play Soul Top Trumps, I'd happily play you anyday. I am unable to let sh*tty poorly thought out responses lie, and this must be the fourth time I've had to vilify myself to people like you that are unable to read my posts for what they are. I don't need you telling me that you are in it for the long run, or that you spent 10 years in the Army, if you want your fifteen minutes of message board fame Rick, I suggest that pick on someone less able old chum.

I remember doing Worcester '81 as the baby (for baby, read twat) of Warringtons Phase II, on me small wheel base 150 Super, and trying me best to get our lot to drive back for Wigan on the Saturday as I didn't want to spend another night sleeping in the ladies toilets in me dodgy sleeping bag (dodgy zip). I didn't manage to talk 'em round...shit at the time, good memory now. Is that last post at all relevant?

Again, we brought Lew over to play at The Carlton in Warrington, he also did Harry Dennets venue in Widnes within the same week (Kev Edwards, Ray Rose, Sam & myself on the roster) - a lovely and humble fellow who was truly in awe of the UK scene and his involvement in it. A shame Lew only seems to get the nod on this site for HITA, when his other major label stuff got heavy rotation on the 80's scene at the time.

The whole Uptown album is a killer - great sleeve too.

I know you shouldn't start a thread but what would the Dells track be that I use to play on the Modern scene? From their '83 album (possibly)?? Morecambe Pier time.