Robbk

From the sound, I'd guess it's a Thelma cut, but, perhaps unfinished as far as the instrumental mix? Sounds like Marvin's "Can I Get A Witness".

I'm sure there are several American Detroit collectors that also have it. I've seen it about 3 times in USA back in the old days.

Yes, I believe so. But, they ALL moved, intact, to another Soul Forum. I suppose, if one googles "Soul music forums", and visits all the listings, it would be possible to find where they are now. None of them returned to Soulful Detroit.

No doubt The 3 Bossmen were 3 of the 4 Bossmen. That Score record was pressed in the same Chicago pressing plant. Maybe they were a Tex-Mex group from Texas, who had their records pressed in Chicago. Or, possibly (but a lot less likely) they were an East Chicago group. But, I was living in Chicago at that time, and had family in East Chicago that I used to visit. And I don't remember seeing any Latinos there or anywhere in Chicagoland until the late 1970s or early 1980s.

No! Bobby and several other top regulars (some of them artists, musicians and production people, and major collectors) left Soulful Detroit, when they and Ralph Terrana had disagreements over how Soulful Detroit should be run and moderated, after David Meikle left. It was a major schism. I miss their posting on SDF. Currently, there is a lot less posting of technical music and musical history topics on that forum. We used to have a lot of discussion about production, recording procedures, contracts, company ownership, label scans, and details of what went on back in the day. Now, most posts there are about what new CDs and digital offerings are on the market, and posters' opinions of songs, and gossip about remaining singing artists. The schism and their leaving happened a long time ago (perhaps as early as 2007 or 2009?). They all went to another Soul forum. I joined there, too. But there wasn't much posting action there. I've forgotten the name and address of that forum.

On Soulful Detroit we had Joe Hunter, Mike McLean, Bob Ohlsson Clay McMurray, Spyder Turner, Ron Murphy, Ralph Terrana, Russ Terrana, Bob Babbit, Ray Monette, Weldon McDougall, Scherrie Payne, Bobbi Eli, Dennis Coffey, Kris Peterson, Frances Nero, Caesar of The Tymes, and some others post fairly regularly over many or several years, plus Jack Ashford, Lorraine Chandler, Cal Gill, Marshall Crenshaw, and many more make a few or several posts during short periods.

They look like a Latino group of Mexican origin. But, I'd have been shocked if there were Mexicans in The Carolinas in the mid 1960s. There were Mexicans in The Chicago area at that time, and some southern and Texas groups had their records pressed in Chicago.

It looks like a mid-late '60s Chicago pressing, and maybe I've seen it once (maybe at Soul Bowl in King's Lynn in 1982), so it must be very uncommon or rare (as I lived in Chicago when it was out - and looked at hundreds of thousands of 45s there at that time. It must be a very, very small label with very few pressed, and only one or 2 or 3 releases.

Thanks. Now I know why I didn't buy it! A Pop rather than Soul vocal. Great track for a Soul Girl's group recording. Mike Terry never arranged a lousy track, did he?

You're talking about Kenny Carter here, rather than Kenny Carlton, right?

THAT explains why I didn't know about it. It has some faint characteristics of The Chicago Sound, but not really strong, unlike The Combinations of Atlanta.

What a great find! I lived in Chicago at the time that was out, and never saw it nor heard of it. It definitely sounds like a Chicago recording, but not produced nor arranged by one of the well-known Soul producers. I don't recognise the names on the record.

I've played "Lost and Found" and "Gotta Get Myself Together" back-to-back many times, and the voices sound very very much like the same person. I'd guess that Kenny Carlton is Kenny Carter.

None of the recordings for the sales are still uploaded. I can't find those songs on You-Tube. Can anyone direct me to a soundfile of them. I'm curious to hear them. I passed that record up when it was out, as I was unable to listen to it, and thought it was instrumentals or Pop singing (despite being Pied Piper). Thanks.

Tthought I read that Freeman King (the later actor) sang in the group on those 2 songs. He is not listed above. Was HE in The Creators? Perhaps he was only the songwriter and producer?

Sad news.

Sad to hear. One of my favourites (especially from 1949-55). I saw him live at Dootone's Music Center in South Central L.A. in 1965, in Amsterdam in 1986, and in Kopenhagen in 1990.

My music started in the mid-late 1930s, and lasted to about 1970. Your music started at the beginning of the 1960s and lasted to about 1980.

Whenever I hear a non-Motown release of a Jobete Music song for which I've never heard a Motown version, I try to imagine the sound of a Funk Brothers version. I would have guessed it would be fantastic, and much better. When I finally heard The Kim Weston version, I was disappointed (but still like it better than the Alice Clark (as that version doesn't sound like Motown). I'm still waiting to hear a Motown version of "You Turned My Bitter Into Sweet".

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I posted the scans on that thread Ady. Do you want me to send you 300 dpi scans?

As I stated, Canadian 45s were generally $1.00 during the sixties. So, during the early '70s they were about $1.25, but this store was a high-volume storer, so they sold many for $1.00. The Supremes' record at $2 was because it is an American issue, AND, it was a 10-year old Oldie at that time. Oldies were often a little more expensive, if hard to get. Imports would be more costly.

Just what I stated. So you can believe it. The 2 for a dollar were slower movers in special bins. The lowest discounted new popular records in discount stores were 69 or 79 cents. The wholesale price was 50 cents. So, selling new records 2 for $1.00 couldn't make ANY money -so it wouldn't be done.

That $1.00 price could have been the original price in 1965, in a popular record store that didn't discount the list price.

The 99¢ -$1.00 price was a standard listed price from about 1965-1972. I left in 1972 (so don't really know how it progressed since then, and didn't buy any retail records in my visits after that, in any case).