Robbk

My guess is that the value isn't all that great. I doubt that it is sought by many R&B collectors. Holiday was one of the many labels owned and run by Bobby Robinson (famous NY record shop owner). There were several very good mid-'50s vocal group harmony releases on that label.

"Oh Baby" is a Kent Harris song?

I don't profess to have any "inside" information on those particular events. I am only surmising based on knowledge of the industry and logic. The scenario I described has happened thousands of times, and I can't imagine a different set of events that could have led to those same occurrences.

The first pressing occurred before Spector changed the deal, or demanded his pressing/distribution deal logo rights (that were erroneously unheeded) be carried out, and got A&M to get that done on the 2nd pressing. Then, he caught their oversight error in the 2nd pressing (of forgetting to put his logo on the B side), and made them do that on a 3rd pressing. Both parties certainly thought that there was more than enough demand for all the pressed records to be sold. Spector likely demand that A & M not send any more "faulty" pressings to the distributors. But A&M not wanting to waste money, probably sent them against his wishes, knowing he'd never be able to prove they were not from the already distributed and sold batches.

What about " A fan of 'all Soul music that's faster than a draggy torch ballad' "

I like "Goodbye Baby" by Little Janice. It's a bluesy torch ballad. Too slow for most of you on this Forum. But a very memorable song.

That's where the 5,000 copies of "Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)" by Frank Wilson are stored. They never melted them down. Of course, if they are all put on the market, they'll be down to a Quid apiece!

Yes, Carl. The early days of Soulful Detroit (2002-2006) were truly classical. We had a lot of industry people as regular posters (as I listed above - singing artists, musicians, producers, label owners, sound engineers and major record collectors. We had many classical informational threads, with personal histories and stories of what happened back in the day, discographies and threads with multiple hundreds of high-quality scans. Part of my expertise on Detroit R&B and Soul came from what I learned from many of those people, and we major Detroit collectors pooled our knowledge, and discographies and scans so that we filled in a lot of the "missing" records in label runs (just as we do on Soul-Source). That forum is now a shadow of what it was during its first half of its existence.

Well, it was the MALE members of The Elgins. But missing Elgin Saundra Mallette Edwards.

On "Motown Junkies", we have had Cornell Blakely, Robert Dobyne, Frances Nero, Carolyn Crawford, Ray Oddis (Otis), and some others posted or still post, plus several children of '60s artists. We have also had some children of '60s artists post on Soulful Detroit.

Yes. Several members there led that effort.

From the sound, I'd guess it's a Thelma cut, but, perhaps unfinished as far as the instrumental mix? Sounds like Marvin's "Can I Get A Witness".

I'm sure there are several American Detroit collectors that also have it. I've seen it about 3 times in USA back in the old days.

Yes, I believe so. But, they ALL moved, intact, to another Soul Forum. I suppose, if one googles "Soul music forums", and visits all the listings, it would be possible to find where they are now. None of them returned to Soulful Detroit.

No doubt The 3 Bossmen were 3 of the 4 Bossmen. That Score record was pressed in the same Chicago pressing plant. Maybe they were a Tex-Mex group from Texas, who had their records pressed in Chicago. Or, possibly (but a lot less likely) they were an East Chicago group. But, I was living in Chicago at that time, and had family in East Chicago that I used to visit. And I don't remember seeing any Latinos there or anywhere in Chicagoland until the late 1970s or early 1980s.

No! Bobby and several other top regulars (some of them artists, musicians and production people, and major collectors) left Soulful Detroit, when they and Ralph Terrana had disagreements over how Soulful Detroit should be run and moderated, after David Meikle left. It was a major schism. I miss their posting on SDF. Currently, there is a lot less posting of technical music and musical history topics on that forum. We used to have a lot of discussion about production, recording procedures, contracts, company ownership, label scans, and details of what went on back in the day. Now, most posts there are about what new CDs and digital offerings are on the market, and posters' opinions of songs, and gossip about remaining singing artists. The schism and their leaving happened a long time ago (perhaps as early as 2007 or 2009?). They all went to another Soul forum. I joined there, too. But there wasn't much posting action there. I've forgotten the name and address of that forum.

On Soulful Detroit we had Joe Hunter, Mike McLean, Bob Ohlsson Clay McMurray, Spyder Turner, Ron Murphy, Ralph Terrana, Russ Terrana, Bob Babbit, Ray Monette, Weldon McDougall, Scherrie Payne, Bobbi Eli, Dennis Coffey, Kris Peterson, Frances Nero, Caesar of The Tymes, and some others post fairly regularly over many or several years, plus Jack Ashford, Lorraine Chandler, Cal Gill, Marshall Crenshaw, and many more make a few or several posts during short periods.

They look like a Latino group of Mexican origin. But, I'd have been shocked if there were Mexicans in The Carolinas in the mid 1960s. There were Mexicans in The Chicago area at that time, and some southern and Texas groups had their records pressed in Chicago.

It looks like a mid-late '60s Chicago pressing, and maybe I've seen it once (maybe at Soul Bowl in King's Lynn in 1982), so it must be very uncommon or rare (as I lived in Chicago when it was out - and looked at hundreds of thousands of 45s there at that time. It must be a very, very small label with very few pressed, and only one or 2 or 3 releases.

Thanks. Now I know why I didn't buy it! A Pop rather than Soul vocal. Great track for a Soul Girl's group recording. Mike Terry never arranged a lousy track, did he?

You're talking about Kenny Carter here, rather than Kenny Carlton, right?

THAT explains why I didn't know about it. It has some faint characteristics of The Chicago Sound, but not really strong, unlike The Combinations of Atlanta.

What a great find! I lived in Chicago at the time that was out, and never saw it nor heard of it. It definitely sounds like a Chicago recording, but not produced nor arranged by one of the well-known Soul producers. I don't recognise the names on the record.

I've played "Lost and Found" and "Gotta Get Myself Together" back-to-back many times, and the voices sound very very much like the same person. I'd guess that Kenny Carlton is Kenny Carter.

None of the recordings for the sales are still uploaded. I can't find those songs on You-Tube. Can anyone direct me to a soundfile of them. I'm curious to hear them. I passed that record up when it was out, as I was unable to listen to it, and thought it was instrumentals or Pop singing (despite being Pied Piper). Thanks.