Robbk

It is nice to have a thread on this label. Do we have threads for Carmen Murphy's other labels: HOB (House of Beauty, Starmaker, and Spartan? Do we have them for Mike Hanks' early labels like Spin. MRC. MAH's, Wheel City and USD ? I'm sure we have discographies for D-Town and Wheelsville USA.

I have The Darlings, but I'll have to wait 7 hours till I get home to scan it.

Good programme! Nothing I didn't know, but it brought me back to those years.

Here's a link to The Glows' best side: https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KIo9Ss4D5VmHcAZ8EsnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ--?p=The+Glows+-+%22We%27re+Drifting+Apart%22&vid=329ee88782cdd6868f8602cca255feec&l=2%3A39&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DWN.NiR0oFlgO2Qf7Euwtly4CA%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlFjqlhmPcVY&tit=We%26%2339%3BRe+Drifting+Apart+-+The+Glows+-+SOUL+838&c=0&sigr=11bfsqal9&sigt=11fo6g1ni&sigi=11vrpumjs&age=1411143026&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=mozilla&tt=b

I haven't seen any discography of Carmen Murphy's Soul Records other than my own. I've only ever seen 837 through 841, with two 838s and NO 839. I believe that the second 838 (Barons) was supposed to be 839, and so, 839 was not used. Soul Records (like House of Beauty (HOB) Records), was located in the office of Carmen Murphy's beauty shop ("House of Beauty"), at 111 Mack Avenue, in Detroit. Mike Hanks was A&R man and chief producer for Mrs. Murphy. Most of their recordings were made at United Sound Recording Studio. The Barons were Roger Craton (AKA Lee Rogers), Jesse Greer and Barney (Duke) Browner, with one other member (I've forgotten). Johnny West WAS Buddy Lamp. Othea George had been a member of The Twilighters (Willie (Tony) Ewing's group, who had been recorded by Hanks and Ewing for their Spin Records label. 837 - The Barons - "Money Don't Grow On Trees" / "Dog Eat Dog" 838 The Glows - "We're Drifting Apart" / "Twenty-One" 838 The Barons - "Who's In The Shack" / "While The Cat's Away" 840 - Othea George - "What's The Matter With Me" /"If I Don't Have To Tell A Lie" 841 Johnny West - "Tears Baby" / "It Ain't Love"

That one was for an Italian magazine. But, I forgot that it was published in English on an international website.

And a couple other aliases, I'll wager!

Were they a Canadian group? "Top Shelf" is one of the most common ice hockey terms.

Given that they made instrumentals, and I was around working in South Los Angeles at the time of their records releases. and never heard of them appearing anywhere, I suspect they were Dore's house band (and were the same instrumental group that played on many of Dore's other instrumentals under various other names). I wouldn't be totally surprised if Billy Joe and The Checkmates were a subset of that house band.

Or maybe his twin brother, Ady?

I have a similar problem in that I place labels distributed by other labels with the distributor label. Often, labels change distributors, or, I find out that a label was distributed by another label, late in my life. When the latter occurs, I only remember where that label was shelved for the first 40 or 50 years of my collecting, and can't remember what label distributed it. Worse yet, the distributing label is often in a different city, so, it may be located on a different wall, or even in another room. So, then it is virtually lost to me. And, on top of that, all my records aren't even stored in the same city, country or even continent. I store records in two different cities in USA (very far apart), Canada, The Netherlands, Denmark and Germany, and often can't remember where a given record is at a given time. I have been unable to provide record scans to Ace/Kent at certain times because I was in the wrong country at the time, or forgot which record label distributed a small label, that I had discovered in recent years, and had shelved in the same place for 50 years, but recently moved.

It's not like I was a national delagate to The Council of Nations, I was just a Economist or environmental assessor or civil water engineer, contracted on UN development projects. I did share something with Simon Soussan, in that we are both Jews who collected Soul Records, both owned Soul record companies and both of us had lived and worked in Morocco and USA.

Thanks Rod. After you stopped visiting and hoovering, my flat was declared a health hazard, and the building was condemned. Lucky I inherited a house in one country, and can live in my cousin's house in another, and my sisters in another. But they don't let me bring my dust.

Yes. But they mostly interview me because I'm a Disney artist, not because I'm a record collector. Most of my interviews are in Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish(Suomi), German and Italian. I don't think any were in English.

Almost all the future NS "hits" that I ever bought (and I bought many, many of them) I purchased when they were out, or within 3-9 months of their release, after they started appearing in record shop bargain bins, thrift stores, etc. I found a small percentage a few years later in discount store sales, and used record shops (like House of Records). Most of them I got while they were out or fairly soon after. I also had friends that worked at distributors, who would sell individual current records to me for the wholesale price of 30 cents. Only a small % of my collection was found many years after the songs were out. I also got promos free from some of the record companies before the promos were sent out. I bought almost no new records directly from record shops at the retail rate. New records I wanted very badly, to not risk missing, I bought for 30 cents at distributors, or at 50 cents from shop owners or managers with whom I was friendly, or I got them free for helping them carry albums into their stores, or I drew signs for them, or found hard-to get old records for them. I found old R&B records for most of my friends who worked at the distributors. Many of the records I got when they were 2-4 or 5 years old were fill-ins that I didn't want to pay as much as 50 or 30 cents for, so I waited and bought new mint copies when record shops cleared out their old stock at 3 -4 or 5 or 10 for a Dollar sales. Others I got late were in thrift stores. I moved to The Netherlands in 1972, while working for The United Nations in Africa and Asia, and only stayed in USA (Los Angeles) for 2-5 months a year (thus the piles of dust in my flat (complained about by Rod Shard and Dave Withers)). I really stopped looking for records in USA after summer 1972, other than when Rod visited me, and when I visited The UK from Holland, I would visit Soul Bowl in King's Lynn, and visit John Manship in Melton-Mowbray, and comb the good shops in Lancashire and sometimes Yorkshire.

Thanks Dave. Sebastian sent a file to me. It's not my style. Not up to Van's usual standard, but understandable, as he didn't write it himself.

Seems like we've had a thread of this title about 4-5 times. I keep mine by label catalogue number, and the labels by city. The bigger cities, like Detroit, Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles, have their own walls. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Ohio, Baltimore/Washington DC, Boston, Louisville labels have one wall (Philly takes up more than half). Western labels (San Francisco Bay, Seattle, Denver, Texas) and Southern labels share another wall. I used to have a large Canadian collection, but have traded most of them off.

They had a distribution deal with Sidra that netted the Timmy Willis and Precisions. I don't think The Embraceables were pick up by Stone, nor "Romeo", by Gino Wahington. But, I'm not sure whether or not I saw the Barbara Mercer on Stone. But, I also seem to remember other Detroit Soul on Stone. Kris Peterson's Top Dog cuts?

I NEVER saw the Herb and Doris. And I was living in L.A. at the time that recording was made. I really doubt that is came out on vinyl during the '60s. I think it was a '60s recording, first released in the '70s (after I started spending most of my time in The Eastern Hemisphere). I would have seen it at Record Merch, or one of the other distributors, and in the record shops (Dolphins of Hollywood, Flash, Sam's, Pat's, Wenzel's Music Town, House of Records, etc.).

So.........can someone post a sound file of it (even a non-complete one would be okay. I'm very curious as to how it sounds, being as I'm a giant Van McCoy fan.

" If the copyright is keeping it off, why is that same copyright not keeping "I'll Never Forget You" off, as the latter is much more in demand by NS fans, and has been on recent CDs?

Correct, and Ty Karim's was many years later.

That's the only Van McCoy Soul song from The 60s that I never bought. Can someone upload a music file of "Since You've Been My Girl" for me? Only "I'll Never Forget You" is on You -Tube.

It seems to me that the deep red with scorpion was the first pressing, the deep red distributed by ATCO, the 2nd pressing (and the most common), and the pink, distributed by Curtom, the 3rd, and least common.

I went to his house many times, and don't remember any special security. His name is spelt : "Cattaneo" (Italian).