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Russoul's is a nice original copy, in good nick. Nice clean grooves for a styrene issue. They usually wear mighty quickly. You see that the original blue store stocker didn't have the stars. That's another way to recognise the boot. It was blue (pretending to be a store stocker), and yet had the DJ stars, indicating the "play side".

That's the white DJ issue. The stars only appeared on the white DJ issue.

I didn't know of any WDJ boot. I, too thought the moulded, vinyl blue was the only boot.

Detroit Jr. recorded a lot through the 1950s and the 1960s. The recording in question sounds to me like 1963 or 1964. "Money Crazy" above, sounds like late 1950s. The recording in question could be a 1960s Detroit Jr. re-recording of that song, with the tempo and a few of the words changed. If I had to bet, I'd be that is exactly the case.

Sorry! That voice sounds very much like Detroit Jr. So, maybe they just got the song wrong? Although, the song is about his ladyfriend always asking him for money (but he's "Too Poor"). So, "Too Poor" might be correct. But, maybe, "She Wants Some Money" is the title? It sounds like early 1960s. I would guess that it really is Detroit Jr. singing.

Billy Stewart's is not the Blues song, it's his own composition. The singer on this recording is NOT Otis Rush, Guitar Slim, nor Sonny Terry. I know their voices.

Clearly, it is "Reap What You Sow" by a Blues artist. I can't tell who the artist is based on his voice, but it's someone I've heard before. It sounds like early 1950s. I'll look up and see who recorded "Reap What You Sow" in the late '40s and early '50s. I know that Muddy Waters, Guitar Slim, and a whole slew of other Blues singers sang that song. But I can't place the voice.

Certainly! Motown acetates made to be demos for consideration for recording a song, or as a guide for the singer(s) could be made years later, IF the song was considered for recording years later. It appears thgat this w\one was made for Mike Valvano, and/or as a guide for The Temptations to use in 1965.

And that demo was probably played as a guide for The Temptations' 1965 recording.

I would guess that the Eddie Holland Demo above IS a Motown Record Corp. Demo record. Is it on acetate or vinyl? It is a demo, rather than a Jobete Music Co. acetate made solely for proof of ownership of the song. It is a strange one, in that the song title is typed in red ink, like the Jobete Music proof of ownership acetates were. Usually, Motown Corp. acetates were typed all in black, as I remember, whether they were acetates or vinyl demos. The vinyl demos were usually labeled using a recording studio label. Earlier, Motown stamped "Hitsville Recording Studios" on the creme-coloured blank labels (as this one), and, later, they used printed studio labels. From what I remember, most of those from the time of this 1965 Eddie Holland demo used black typewriter ink for all info entries (no red for the songtitle - to avoid confusion as to whether or not it was a Jobete acetate. Maybe this was a slip up, OR Motown needed a demo acetate in such a hurry that they just used the 2nd Jobete acetate for an emergency Motown demo? I thought that "Love is What You Make It" was originally recorded in 1963. The fact that it has a March 1965 stamp on it leads me to believe that they were using it for a demo for another artist to record it, especially given that Eddie Holland's singing career was officially over by then. I wonder who recorded it in 1965?

Most, if not all, of those same records, I had in my own hands. They are Jobete Music acetates, which were just made soon after they were recorded, just to prove ownership of the publishing rights. The particular artists who sang them were not important, to prove publishing rights ownership. So, the artist name was never written on that type of acetate. Yes, the artists' names were added after 1980 (which was the last time I saw them at Motown). They started "disappearing" from Motown, and appearing on auction in the late '80s and early '90s. There were usually 2 Jobete Music acetates made for each song, from what I remember. From 1961-69 or so, the cloudy, creme-coloured label with red ribbon, typewriter typed song titles, were made for proof of Jobete Music ownership. In addition, there was or were often one or two, or even more, Motown Corp. acetates and one, two or more vinyl studio demo records pressed for each song. Motown acetates and demos usually (almost always) had the artist listed as well. Those virtually always used black type. Some Motown acetates were made months, and sometimes, years later. Also, many non-Motown (bootleg or personal) acetates and studio demos were made many, many years later, but are sometimes sold as "original Motown recordings, from the year of original recording". Beware of those.

Yes, Andy, I had just about ALL of those particular acetates in my hands at Motown in the mid and late 1970s, while working on "The From The Vaults Project".

As I recall, Berry was one of the "Quality Control Panel". I never heard of him "overruling" any of their decisions. But I would guess that he may have done that on a few Chris Clark or Diana Ross songs.

Unbelievably, given the plethora of excellent recordings that Motown left in the can from 1962-1970, that might even be a gross understatement. I find it quite impossible to even believe.

Right. The top one is the West Coast styrene pressing from Monarch, in L.A. The bottom one looks like a Midwest pressing from RCA (Indianapolis).

I'm from Chicago, and I can't answer that question. I'd like to see someone else on this forum lead us to such place, IF it exists. It's times like this when we realise just how valuable a resource Bob Abrahamian was.

They're all legit. I've seen several of all three, as far back as the late '60s. I got the blue one in 1965.

If we're going to use a 10-year period, I'd use 1963-1972.

1960s was more soulful. '70s had Disco and lots of new "plastic" instruments. '60s still had traditional Blues and plunky pianos, rather than "keyboards". the '70s music was far away from what i was used to from the '40s, '50s and '60s. Funk was "Soulful", but, I felt that a lot of the '70s Soul lacked individualism and deep feeling.

Jan Bradley or Major Lance Major Lance or Otis Leavill Major Lance or Gene Chandler Vera Lynn or The Checkers or The Robins Leadbelly or The Originals The Contours or William Weatherspoon The Monitors or The Temptations Gladys Knight & The Pips or Jimmy Ruffin Darrell Banks or Jackie Wilson Billy Butler & Enchanters or Major Lance

Marlena Shaw or Marvin & Tammi or Messengers Frank Wilson or Chris Clark Chris Clark or The Underdogs Brenda Holloway or Mickey McCullers The Marvelettes or Baby Washington The Marvelettes or The Velvelettes Emanuel Lasky or Silky Hargeaves The Two Friends or Tammi Terrell Brenda Holloway or Mary Wells Betty Everett or Ramona King, or Merry Clayton The Pirates (Temptations) or Nolan Strong & Diablos

Stevie Wonder or Darrell Banks Darrell Banks or Ike & Tina Turner Al Kent or Jackie Wilson Four Tops or The Magnificents Kim Weston or Alice Clark Cynthia & Imaginations or Thelma Lindsey

Ed Wingate had nothing to do with Shelby Singleton's Inspirations' release, so there was no connection from Polydor picking up that, to Polydor picking up Wingate's Golden World Holidays, and Ric Tic Edwin Starr and J.J. Barnes.

Wow! I feel important! Here, a "furriner", I, a non-Northern Soulie. represent the one-vote lead! I should have asked for bribes on which way to vote, before voting! I could have made some scratch!

Klopt! I agree 100 % with that statement. But, I still think that the advert drawing is the man in the photo.