Robbk

Yes, and Wasn't Wiggins popular there because he was a local of The greater Baltimore/DC Area, who appeared locally a lot? I'm pretty sure he recorded both sides there (rather than New York).

It looks like a Chicago pressing, but Jessica Records may have been located in St. Louis, as the Willie Small Jessica release was distributed by Del Record Distributors (out of St. Louis). His cuts also were published by Angie Music, and produced by Angie Productions (Curtis Smith ). Haskins is also a prominent name on this release, as co-producer and writer. McElrath was the other. Those names seem familiar to me as Chicago late '60s players. But, I can't place them right now. I seem to remember Jessica being a St. Louis label, and maybe Charles Drain's being associated with the label in some way. It looks like a Chicago pressing from 1968 or '69. i remember little Edith as an R&B shouter with a bluesy slant. She appeared some in Chicago (as many St. Louis artists did), but I don't remember her coming from a Chicago high school (so she may not have lived there, but only came for tour gigs.

Notice the word, "Washington", under the Jay Wiggins reference on the bottom of the paper insert. It was a local production finished in Washington, DC, and the master tape was leased to IPG. When it later was picked up by Amy/Mala/Bell, I assume that IPG lost the rights to sell it, and those rights were transferred to Amy/Mala/Bell. But, that isn't necessarily so. It may also be that they retained rights in certain geographic areas, or for certain period, when they were sold concurrently, or it may even be that IPG made the deal with Bell. I'd be curious to find out the particulars of all the deals.

I.P.G. WAS located in New York. I'm pretty sure that the Jay Wiggins recording was made in the D.C. Area, but was leased by IPG. Later, it was leased by Amy/Mala/Bell for better national distribution. IPG didn't have any producers or production staff in New York. They just leased already recorded productions from all around USA. The Dynels was produced by Ray Shanklin in L.A., and would have come out on Pan-Or Records, or Natural Records as a subsidiary or sister label of Pan-Or, had it not been picked up by IPG. IPG was similar to Amy/Mala/Bell, as they had no record production staff and only leased recordings. But, of course, Bell did that on a MUCH, MUCH larger scale.

There were two other recordings of "That's The Reason Why" in The Motown Vaults. We had had one ready for the "From The Vaults" series. It was significantly better than the version released on IPG, in my estimation. I think Mickey made a mistake, there. IPG didn't have a lot of releases on its own label, but it did distribute several other small-label independent productions from around USA (Florida, Texas, California, Michigan).

I think that must be what happened. I'm sure I bought that record before April, 1966.

I got the idea that Conlo Productions were located in Philadelphia, and they came about through an association of Chicago people working with Philadelphia people in Philadelphia, rather than Chicago. Most of the "nuts and bolts" recording people and artists came from Philadelphia. I thought this was Jerry Butler and a few of his associates, producing sessions in Philadelphia. The Conlo Records label has a picture of a well-known building in Philadelphia as its logo. Jerry Butler was already working in Philadelphia some in his early period on Mercury starting in 1965. That is the time of Conlo productions on Dee Dee Sharp and The Orlons. Jalynne Music songwriters, such as Barrett Strong, wrote songs used. But, they could have done that in Chicago. But these Conlo recording sessions took place in Philadelphia. I don't remember seeing any Chicago artists on Conlo Records. They were all from The East Coast (seemingly working out of Philadelphia). I also question the comment that Jamo Thomas came to Chicago to record for Conlo in the EARLY '60s. I think Conlo Records started in either 1964 or 1965. And, I suspect that Thomas' Conlo cuts were recorded in Philadelphia. He may have met his Satillite/St. Lawrence connections through Jerry Butler and/or Eddie Thomas, and they were the conduit that got him to Chicago. But, I suspect that he met Jerry Butler while the latter was in Philadelphia, working on his Conlo projects.

THIS jibes with my memory of Luther Ingram's Smash record coming out first, and Jamo Thomas' a few months later.

I remember reading that although Robert Bateman had The Hib Luther Ingram record instrumental tracks recorded in Detroit, BOTH the lead vocals and background vocals AND all instrumental tracks of the Smash record were recorded in New York, produced by Bateman, with Richard Tee arranging. The G-men were just a reference to The FBI. There was no special band (Bateman's usual New York crew (with Richard Tee, pretty Purdie, et al) was used, and the G-Men weren't a special background group.

I am trying to put together a list of productions with Richard Stamz's involvement. I'd like to know if anyone has info on the following: Any Fox Records (Chicago 1962 label) other than 5014 Foxy 003, 007 & 008 Catalinas - "Lonely Mood" (I'm sure I've seen this on a small Chicago label (distributed by C.J.?)) Tony Gideon - "So Strange"/"I'm Gonna Put You To Work" (Chess?) Willie Williams - "Going Back Home"/"South Park Shuffle" And please list any Stamz-related releases on labels other than Fox/Foxy, and Harold Burrage/The Ideals/Flora D. on Paso Records, Ze Majestiks on ABC and The Opals on Beltone. Any OTHER records with a music publisher named "Ric-O-Lac", "Rik_O-Lac", "Ric-O-Lak" or "Rec-O-Lac" (error) Thanks.

Bob, I'm very curious about that Sharp Records label. Could you please list the music publishing company (ies) any producer/arranger credits, songwriters' names, etc.?

Soulful Kinda Music has The Jaguars' first on Faro in 1965, as well. BOTH list NO releases by Faro in 1962 (apparently they shut down operations for 1962-63, and started again in 1964.

I don't remember The Jaguars being on Faro before 1965. They would have been pretty young in 1962. Global Dog's discography shows their first in 1965.

Marv Goldberg lists the Aardell/R-Dell group's last recording session before a 1989 "revival session" as that done for Rendesvous Records in 1961. And the 1962 release on Original Sound was a re-release of 1960 session work done for Original Sound (re-recordings of previously unreleased cuts they made for R-Dell in the later mid '50s. Their 1963 Rendesvous record was a re-release of their 1961 record. In 1960, they had recorded "Green Stamps" as The T-Birds on T-Bird Records, picked up nationally bey Chess. Then, in late 1961,after te Rendesvous session and some months of sales of that record, they seem to have broken up. Manny Chavez and another member had a few records out as a duet. So, it seems as though the 1965 L.A. record I have on the blue label must be either the Chicano group (I rather don't think so, as they sound like a Black group and not like the Faro group), or a completely different group. Therefore, I conclude that the group at your 1968 event must have been the Faro group. They were the only Jaguars at that time with enough national recognition to be on such a roster.

But the label colouring is quite different. The green has a lot more grey in it, and the font wasn't yellow, but black. The font was different, as well. The boot doesn't look all that much like on original, even from a distance.

I assume (hope) that you are joking. Am I correct?

No, The matrix numbers were the same, when the record was re-issued by the same company. In the case of The Midas pressing of "The Town I Live In", the matrix number is different (possibly because it was pressed at a different plant, or possibly remastered.

The hit side was a ballad. I assume that you know that this Jaguars group was a different group from The Jaguars on R-Dell. The Faro group was all Chicanos from East L.A. There's some confusion among some fans, because the R-Dell Jaguars had one Chicano member ( the rest were African-Americans), but they were EXTREMELY popular among The Chicanos of East L.A. due to lots of plugging by Art Laboe and Huggy Boy. The Faro group members were about 10 years younger.

I suspect that they WERE the same Legends on Mickay's, as they were probably the male backing singers to J.J. Barnes on Mickay's and followed Joe Hunter to Golden World/Ric Tic, to sing additional backgrounds for J.J. Barnes. How many local groups called The Legends could exist at the same time? Could Gene (Geno) Gates be the brother of Harry (Lee) Gates?

I looked up the Downey Records' discography, and every catalogue number was accounted for (except 113-omitted for it's #13 ending and too early ('63). It must have been another, smaller L.A. label with that same blue colouring.

What do you mean by "re-issued"? Their hits like "The Town I Live in" by McKinley Mitchell, "Twine Time" by Alvin Cash & Crawlers, and "Shake A Tail Feather" by The Five Du-Tones were all pressed again on their original labels after their chart runs, to take advantage of the oldies market. "The Town I Live In" was also pressed up later on Midas Records. Are you talking about post-1970 pressings?

Brenda & Tabulations

Yes, my original issue has the same . The 3000 series was One-derful's regular pressing number series (except when they had the odd pressing done at Columbia Midwest (Chicago/Terre Haute)-then they had the ZTSC (of course). M-Pac subsidiary also used the 3000 series, as did One-derful's Gospel subsidiary, Halo Records, and also later Leaner label, Toddlin' Town (at least the earliest releases of that label did). What is interesting, is that subsidiary, Mar-V-Lus, unlike all the others, used a 2000 series!

The Jaguars, after leaving R-Dell, had releases on Original Sound in 1960-62, on Rendesvous Records in 1961 and 1963. And they had a release on a navy blue L.A. label, and were on at least one other small L.A. label in 1966 (I forget which). So, now I know who they were with in 1964.

I agree with all stated above. We can't be sure that it was actually pressed at Monarch. But, with the Delta sign , AND with a number of 54,700+, it was most likely pressed in Oct. '64, whether or not it was pressed at Monarch. !964 sounds right for that record. The Jaguars that had sung vocal group harmony (sometimes called "DooWop" on L.A.'s R-Dell label (and had the big hit with "The Way You Look Tonight", were still around (although with a member change or two. I have several records by them on small, L.A. labels (including a few on Original Sound, and Downey. But, all mine skirt around (before and after 1964). The group was big in East L.A. and San Gabriel Valley all throughout. So, I figured that would have had at least one or two out in 1964. I don't know that, patrticular Sharp label. But, it must have been located in the L.A. Metro Area. What are the names on it? I'm curious to know who they were working with in 1964.