Robbk

Ike Perry's group was from Texas. They were on the Rhythm Records label in 1955 (rather than Music City). I have the record. Then, they had a release on Bridge Records in 195, Cowtown in 1960. These were all Texas labels. They must have been from Texas, and moved to Cleveland in 1961 or 1962. Their Courier Record may have been recorded in late 1962, and released in early 1963. That was also released on Mama Records, named after Ike's mother. That had more records released on that label.

It did make it to the store stock stage. But The white DJs are MUCH more plentiful.

Good! I'd hate to see someone get that kind of money for a boot, and even someone too lazy to look into it, pay that much for one.

But someone paid $5,100 for a boot. Right? The P in "produced is directly under the V. Or, do I have it backward, and this IS the original?

I see now that I remembered incorrectly. He's listed as only having releases on Diamond, Jet Star and an unnamed Canadian label, and a couple tiny labels. I guess I remembered a King record in the 5800s with the word "Poppa" in the title. The photographic memory sometimes plays tricks. It's bad enough that my short-term memory is virtually completely gone. But now, despite my eating a lot of wild salmon and drinking fish oil, my long-term memory is starting to go. Maybe I was hit on the head too many times with 100 mph flying pucks and opposing players' sticks. It comes back to haunt one 40-50 years later.

I have one or 2 of his King 45s.

Thanks for bringing that up. There were a lot of other R&B Lyrics groups. Were there any other releases by Ike Perry's group between their Music City records and late 1958?

As a Detroit "completist", I wouldn't mind having that lookalike boot to put with my other Velgos. I know I'll never get the real one, with only a couple known, and my not being able to afford to spend over £30 on any record. £200, is ridiculous. Maybe I'd buy it for £10.

Thanks. They are quite nice. Ike was still in good form in the 70s. Wow! One has a Jimmy Rickslike bass lead! Interesting! The style and instrumentation is a bit new-sounding for me, but they sound very nice and very "listenable". Very little in the '70s is "my cup of tea".

Davie Gordon said he has those 2 cuts, plus 2 others by this group that are unreleased, and that they were recorded in the 1970s. I have their Courier Record and one more. They go as far back as 1958. I'd like to hear these 2 cuts. Davie hardly ever posts on Soulful Detroit anymore, and I haven't seen him post on Soul-Source.

I'll bet that's really good. I have a couple Ike Perry and The Lyrics 45s on small Cleveland labels. and they are good. I didn't see any link on that e-Bay page to hear even snippets of the songs. Surely the auction provides a listening sample for knowing how good the songs and performance are, and knowing the condition related to the sound. Can you direct me to where I can listen to it?

Also, the original has a slightly yellower tint in the green. The green in the boot is darker and less yellow (e.g. slightly bluer green).

In what year was it recorded?

Tof! I bet it is funny to hear Vlaams with a San Antonio accent! Tot ziens, Y'all!

The print and logo look very good. But I don't remember now exactly how the boot looked. I'll be curious to know if it is original or not. Interesting that Wilbur Jackson of "The Two Friends" on Harvey Fuqua's and Gwen Gordy's HPC Records wrote the song. Was he also a member of THIS group? @ plus 2 sounds like a group of 4. But on the song they don't sound like that many different people. Does anyone know all the member names of Two Plus Two?

Geen probleem. Ik weet een beetje over de belgische gevoel voor humor (althans de vlaamse), als familie van mijn vader komt uit Antwerpen, en ik bezoek familie daar, en ook in Brussel en Luik elk jaar. Ben je een vlaamse of franse belgier?

Norma Jenkins' Dolls were from the New York/New ersey Metro Area, while The Dolls on Loma were from Waco Texas. The recording was produced and recorded in Texas by Dale Hawkins, and their record appeared first on a local, Texas label, Toy Records (No connection with Toy Records in NY).

Don't get me wrong. I like The Sparkels' version a LOT. I bought it new, as soon as I saw "Jobete Music" on it. And I was not disappointed at all. And I'd have bought it anyway, as I collect girls; group records even those with a Poppish sound. Just so you will know that I'm not trying to say that one version is good and one bad I'll make a comparison: If "I Never Dreamed" by The Cookies is rated 100 as a Girls' group song, then "try Love" by The Sparkels would be 85. The Norma Jenkins version is in a different genre. It is more Popcorn Soul. If I'd rate the two to my own scale of like/dislike from 0-dislike strongly -to 100 like as much as is possible, I'd rate the Norma Jenkins at 88, and the Sparkels at 85. So, they are not very far apart. I ust like Norma Jenkins' version slightly better.

I'll Do Anything" sounds just like Curtis Mayfield wrote it. The Brooks Brothers must have followed his career closely long after The original Impressions split up. "I'll Do Anything" is many, many years after the music I like stopped being made. But, it is nice, and decent to listen to. I like it. In what year was it recorded?

It's interesting that The Brooks Brothers asked Jerry Butler to join their Roosters group, which remained The Roosters. And, when they asked Curtis Mayfield to join, they changed the name to The Impressions.

That's probably The Dolls in the background of Norma's demo, rather than The Sparkels. I'm sure that The Sparkels were Bernstein's group, and had no connection with Kerr or NY Jobete. I like Jenkins' /Dolls' version much better, as it is more soulful and less pop/girl groupish.

There are several mistakes in that blurb. They got together with Jerry Butler and Curtis Mayfield in 1957. They may well have written and practised "For Your Prescious Love" in 1957, but didn't get signed by VJ Records until 1958. Their record was released FIRST on Vee Jay 280, but soon after transferred to VJ's subsidiary label, Falcon Records. The very successful sales of their record was the reason why VJ had to change the name of its Falcon Records to Abner Records, as another Falcon Records (in Texas, I believe), brought a lawsuit. The Impressions were cut loose from VJ in late 1959. Jerry Butler was signed as a solo artist, and Curtis Mayfield was signed by Butler, to be his songwriter and guitarist. The Impressions, without Mayfield on lead, had 2 records released before Curtis got them the contract with ABC Records in late 1961. One was on a very small Chicago label (Bandera-"Listen"/"Shorty's Got To Go"), and one on a tinier New York label (a red label with block lettered printing and on styrene), (I've forgotten the name of the label and song titles). Maybe Sam Gooden and Fred Cash alternated leads? Both went nowhere.

Norma had a deeper voice than The Sparkels' lead. No one knows who The Sparkels' members were. They were a poppish girls group that Herb Bernstein found and recorded. Norma Jenkins and The Dolls were working for George Kerr, and Norma sang demos for Jobete Music's New York office. Bernstein just liked the song for his group, and recorded them singing it. jenkins' version is very likely just the demo, and Kerr didn't plan on releasing it commercially. Otherwise, it would have been released on Maltese Records, as was "This is Our Day", which was also a Jobete song. All others on Maltese were published by Maltese Music. A few of those may have been written by Kerr and Barnes' team at Jobete, but not yet accepted by Jobete before The New York office was closed up by Berry Gordy in mid 1964.

I could have identified a good portion of the flip sides, too. But, only remembering about 60% of them would leave me open to look bad, if I would miss 2 consecutively. There are a LOT of flip sides that I never play, so I didn't look at them enough to memorize them.

Ha! Ha! I have a photographic memory, but not the time to make out large lists of what I have and want. So, I have bought 5 or 6 copies of the same record before, and avoided buying records 3-4 times each, when I thought I already had them. But, this was when I was buying 45s for from 5¢ each to $1 or $2 each, NOT paying collectors' prices for them on auction. Making a mistake there would be a disaster. Memorizing a wants list would be possible. But, after crossing several records off, I wouldnot be able to keep each new iteration of the list in my mind. I would get all those slightly different, but very similar images mixed up in my mind's "camera".