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It's a forum to discuss everything related to soul, and the bedrock of the rare soul scene is the 45. If you're happy with YouTube, Mixcloud I've no issue with that, I make use of it too, it's convenient and available globally and your not trying to make a quick buck or fool anyone. But my initial point was and is that these low life bootlegging scumbags are now trying to "counterfeit" 45's with the intention of deceiving unsuspecting punters, or are satisfying the divvies (love that saying) who want to pretend they own the real McCoy when playing out a box of similar such "fakes". This really is a new low though, copying reissues ffs. As you appear to be relatively new on here you might not be aware that within the past year there's been a high profile scam running where a number of high value 45's suffered a similar fate with the sole intention of pulling the wool over every bodies eyes. Thankfully a savvy few got wise to this scam and exposed the scoundrels involved. Is there any difference between that and this (money aside) ? No is there feck. £5 or £2k, the outcomes the same. The copyright issue is a mute point, as writers and artists don't receive royalties from the "original" discs we buy and sell. Most of em are "used" and 50 years old so that's simply mot going to happen. These boots clearly won't effect you, nor will you ever understand what it feels like to own an original disc which you've spent good money on and take great pleasure from. Vinyl porn - yeah baby. Reissues are a completely different matter. Thank God for em. Kent, Soul Junction, Grapevine 2000, Secret Stash have given us, and continue to give us some of the greatest unreleased music I've ever heard, so kudos to Ady Crossdale, Dave Welding, Gary Cape and Mark Bicknell et al.

You're entitled to you opinion, but I completely disagree with it. I don't give two hoots about oneupmanship. I buy vinyl for my pleasure, not to impress anyone else or to have bragging rights. I'm not a member of the soul police or have any pretence towards joining "the force". But I do care about the integrity and history of black music and collect many genres and relish the pursuit and capture of original vinyl. Only a true collector would understand that desire, sentiment and obsession. As for ktf ! Give over. Buying Counterfiet goods is hardly keeping the faith now is it.

We've lived with them throughout the scenes history, but these bootlegging bar stewards really are beginning to piss me off now. I can live with the dodgy boots & pressings that don't pretend to be anything other than what they are. When there's no attempt to deceive by cloning labels, people know what they're buying and make an informed choice to buy or avoid. But this cloning business is becoming crazy. I've just come across this disc on eBay and am completely gobsmacked. UK Grapevine reissues are now been booted dfs !!! The crazy thing is I thought I dropped on a bargain, posted by someone who was trying to offload some old 45's until I saw it was a "buy it now" and then noticed that more copies were available.!! Thankfully the penny dropped before I clicked "Buy". https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NORTHERN-DOUBLE-SIDER-LESTER-TIPTON-plus-THE-MASQUERADERS-LOW-STARTING-PRICE-/282226564911?hash=item41b6039f2f:g:0OYAAOSwtnpXnMvU Whatever next ?

Pm'd ya re: Dynamics

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No price on it Paul, which might explain why it's not sold. Best Gav

Good to see you fixed it

It looks like you're pretty new to Soul Sauce so can I ask why you have the same discs for sale on Discogs, but Betty Wright is $10 cheaper and Thee Midnighters $15 cheaper on discogs, whilst the other three are the same price? Struggling with this one especially as you have to pay a % of any sale on that site. Maybe it was a simple oversight?

Tough one to locate but Dave Flynn turns one up every now and then, which is where I got mine from. Might be worth giving him a shout.

Hi Ady pm'd you again. Best Gav

Pm'd ya re Reggie Soul.

Buy the album. Full of great tracks and ridiculously, cheaper than this daft priced reissue 45.

Now that's not to be sniffed at.

Packages starting from £3k !!!!! I can think of a lot of vinyl I'd like to buy before splashing that kind of cash on a disc I ain't gonna enjoy

Modern soul oldies ! Ain't that a double negative?

Terrible news today that Melv has passed away. Melv was a soul man to the core and will be sadly missed by many across Yorkshire. His love of Southern influenced soul and Otis Redding in particular is reflected in his nickname on SS as Makstax. He was a real character and was known to many as Speedy, associated with is reputation as a darts player who wasted no time at he oche. Melv was a fountain of knowledge about all things soulful and he will be sadly missed by many. Many knew Melv much better than myself but I'm deeply saddened by his death, and have pondered long and hard if I could I have done more to prevent his passing far too early. R.I.P soul man. Condolences to your loved ones Gav

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https://www.parkersrc.com/45_Records.aspx?C=3&N=C,D

Yeah i remember your post Chalks and spent last couple of days searching for the bloody thing on Sounclound and here, and both have gone!! Still great for it to be on vinyl at last.

On my decks right now. WOW WOW WOW These two Jimmy Delphs tracks rank amongst the best previously unreleased sides I've ever heard. The same impact on first hearing as "Reconsider" and "Suspicion" which is high praise indeed, only these go one step further as they're legit. releases! Thanks for the speedy delivery Rob.

Collectors and folks who place value on ovo will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, but age will naturally reduce those of us that love the feel, authenticity and history that we carry in our veins when stroking our vinyl, so will just have to accept change is inevitable and unstoppable. BUT for the moment when that treasure falls through the door from the postie it still feels fecking great. Comparable to sex ? Go on admit it you know it is. Or am I too bleeding old now to enjoy the other so much anymore ! Casual soul fans and many who have a passion for oldies and dancing to em (and let's not forget oldies are still the foundation of the scene and are still in all of our blood) will attend events far and wide without really giving a flying fook about the medium, ovo, cd, MP3, pressing etc. Cause it's what's in the groove that counts AND the social camaraderie they enjoy for the vast majority. It's so easy to criticise something you don't understand, and it doesn't mean you're right, so let em enjoy themselves, life's too short. Young people will move with the times. My kids think I'm crazy spending money on ancient vinyl, and they'd potentially have me sectioned if they could for the amount of money I've " invested" ha ha in my collection which takes pride of place in its own room. That in itself is something to consider, kids can't afford deposits for houses let alone create the space for a stack of vinyl at comparibly crazy prices. But a tablet or phone and a set of headphones or blue tooth speaker and a link to a cloud gives them access the tens of thousands of tunes and the means to enjoy em! Anyone remember when mobile phones started to become popular but the cost of the calls was extortionate? I do and I swore I'd never have one. Guess what, I know pay for four subscriptions a month and rarely use the landline. Phone boxes are almost obsolete and maybe one day vinyl will become so too, except for a small group of obsessives like the antique dealers of today, but they invest in the asthetic value not the practical. It'll be a sad day but it will happen. Don't you want your great great grandkids to still be able to shake their tail to the sound of black America? Of course you bloody do and so do I. Gav

The crazy world of northern soul or in the case of these packs disco, boogie, funk, etc etc. For the record Nik Nak I think you've taken a measured view throughout and have done well not to rise to some of the ridiculous comments that have been thrown at you for exposing Levine's behaviour in selling you knackered discs. I'm sure you never expected to pull out a few undiscovered treasures but equally didn't expect so many unplayable discs. I've listened to his podcasts, and his marketing of these 'soul packs' is clearly designed to lure people into believing the hype that their in for some real treats. Perhaps you were guilable but I guess we've all been shafted at one time or another by flannel. Why some folks have tried to defend his positon in selling such unplayable crap I don't understand. Friends or not if the man has failed to deliver the goods as advertised then he deserves to be exposed, to help other potentially more guilable folks falling for his patter. I think in all honesty that had this occurred with a seller unknown to most and without Levine's notoriety the vast majority on here would unite in unison to decry the practice of selling such trash, but the fact that it's Levine many feel obliged to extend their support to, and of him. Misplaced loyalties maybe, but only those offering support will know that. The other debacle involving counterfeit goods is a whole different issue and I'm sure the truth will out in due course. I'm just glad I don't have the cash to invest in big ticket items so won't be personally affected by the majority of the batch mentioned, but I do know some good people who just might be and they have my support in wanting to bottom this issue and to expose the scumbags that have attempted to produce these discs to fleece hard earned cash from unsuspecting real sou folk who are by and large a great faithful and supportive bunch.

Talk about putting the cat amongst the pigeons Len !!!