Dean

We got the box, turned out to be full of cans of warm lager! Well done Steve, serious portrayal with passion and commitment. thought you came across well, which is always nervy not knowing how the edititng is going to go. I guess there's a whole 30 minute programme of out-takes featuring the iron burning and the first 3 attempts to open the can on the train . Is my nose really that big

Hopefull, I'm often guilty of presuming some I've had for many years are boots as they were purchased in the height of 70s boot selling from local shops. Had a Frank Beverly and the Butlers Sassy demo for £2 off the same display wall - thought that was a boot for a while! Thanks for the info

All info welcome. Just got a package from a reputable dealer Billy Kennedy - If I was A Kid on Silver Records. Big record around 1976/77 if memory not failing too much. Exactly the same as what I presumed was a boot. Vinyl, no stamp or delta, neatly etched in run-out is JE UR528-A IF I WAS A KID . Flip side Secret Love (similar style markings). Either I now have 2 nice originals or I have a frown and 2 boots. I fear the latter, but it's occured to me that I don't think I've ever seen a different one. Any help? Thanks in anticipation, Dean.

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You know when you're trying to explain to a work colleague or some acquaintance where you spent the weekend, and you find youself trying to define Northern Soul - don't you just love it when they've seen something like this! There goes the cred! Amazing what passes as NS, I know someone is going to come on and quote "9 times out of 10" and pop wigan sounds, or claim this is super rare and I'm blinkered, but come on...... northern soul popcorn - cliff richard listen - some of these daysItem number: 110244614366

Just going right back to start of this thread to make an observation that someone may well shoot down in flames . . . . . . . . But, we (should I say I) don't tend to see UK rarity bootlegs. Is it that most are insufficiently rare (!!?? can feel the collectors steaming now), harder to boot, more focussed legal protection? Could the future for collectors be more in Uk rarity market. I suppose there's no stopping the criminal abuse of rarity and price. I still think the odd thing about our 'scene' is the destruction by those who claim to be part of it by producing fakes for the hungry market. Think I'll just keep buying cheap records! Dean I'm getting the idea why you're referred to as Cloth Ears . I was making an observation, that's observation, that it may be more difficult to counterfeit UK records, hence some safety for collectors within that market. I'd hoped to be contributing to the point, if I was missing it then I still am. I was agreeing in the difficulty if not impossibility of stopping criminal abuse relating to rarity and price. The "odd thing" comment is me missing your point but elaborating and making my own, connecting your comments to what I don't like, those part of the scene and abusing through greed. That's just my opinion. I wasn't intending to insinuate that serious criminal replication would be done by small time bootleggers on the scene. I hope you get your keyboard fixed, that exclamation mark is being a nuisance isn't it, or perhaps some therapy . . . . . . . . . . and breathe out. And best wishes.

Good points. Also the size of the states which contributes to different pressing plants would make it more believable for sudden finds of hidden records. I'm sure the states is fairly dried out by now compared to 1970s but the size of the place lends itself to believing in still hidden backwaters. I think it's fair to assume that all there is of Alexander Patton etc are out there, if not all then the very very few odd hidden ones, but not a box of 50!

Just going right back to start of this thread to make an observation that someone may well shoot down in flames . . . . . . . . But, we (should I say I) don't tend to see UK rarity bootlegs. Is it that most are insufficiently rare (!!?? can feel the collectors steaming now), harder to boot, more focussed legal protection? Could the future for collectors be more in Uk rarity market. I suppose there's no stopping the criminal abuse of rarity and price. I still think the odd thing about our 'scene' is the destruction by those who claim to be part of it by producing fakes for the hungry market. Think I'll just keep buying cheap records! Dean

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clean out, paypal building sale: Eric Mercury - Take Me Girl I'm Ready, Columbia DJ stero/mono, very clean Ex/Ex £20 Sold Eric Mercury - Love is Taking Over, enterprise (div of Stax) DJ, same both sides, very clean Ex/Vg++ £5 Billy Harner - Lets Get In Line / All Through The Night, Parkway DJ, very clean Ex/Ex £15 Jerry Jackson - Take Over Now / Miss You, Capitol promo, very clean, Vg++/VG+ £10 Webs - Give In / It's So Hard To Break a Habit, Popside issue, very clean / slight fading on flip, Ex / VG+, has got a 1mmx3mm chip where run in groove on flip was factoried too close to edge and a sliver came away, wouldn't notice if not pointed out, £20 Casualeers - You Better Be Sure / Open Your Eyes, Laurie advance release, very clean, Vg+/Vg+ £5 Lester Young - I Got the Right / I Love My Baby, Old Town DJ, very clean, Ex/Ex £20 Grover Mitchell - I Don't Want To Hear It Baby / The Girl Is A Lady, josie DJ, very clean Ex+/Ex+ £10 The Glories - I Stand Accused (of loving you) / Wish They Could Write A Song, date radio station, clean with 4 small x on A side, number written in both sides, Vg++/Vg++ £7 Pm if interested - first come, £1 postage, paypal / cheque / PO Dean

pm'd regarding AL DELORY, Dean

When the horns break kicks in on Cecil Washington - I Don't Like to Lose, could happily have a heart attack whilst dancin' at that moment, you'll always catch me grinning like a mad man at that point. Terry Callier - Ordinary Joe And . . . for very personal memory reasons Eddie Parker - I'm Gone Sooooooo F'in appy!!!

Purposely put this in "Look At Your Box", but no problem with discussion, interesting contributions too. Here's a slight aside: Would it be acceptable "entertainment" to use a sample or run in from these speeches as a record intro. I'm not sure where I stand on this, some thoughts around reducing important history to entertainment, some thoughts around education via entertainment, some more basic thoughts about "showing off" a bit of Motown history and record ownership. Never used it but thought about it. Dave, have you got a scan/pic of the Lps you could post? I can recall one Gordy LP. Anyway, on purpose ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .just to remember. Dean

In anticipation of the 40th anniversary of Dr Martin Luther King's assassination in Memphis 4 April 1968, I thought this was a suitable tribute post. Dean

Enjoy playing Billy Proctor out sometimes. Was prompted by number 8 Peggy Scott to go scouting through out of sight records. Somebody advised me to get this as a release in 1978 when local shop had some 12" in. I did ........ and really didn't like it. Just found it out now (took some looking) and ....... still really don't like it. Smiling at it now though. Clear vinyl 12" with the following in run out grooves: PIN73-12 AE2 tone A PETE WATERMAN WALLY MIX Back it goes.

Common sense should tell me not to get involved, I'm nobody to be policing any scene. I'm an anorak geek for labels, John Manship's full colour book and the much referred to Kev Roberts book are like porn to me, I dwell over them knowing I can't have most of them. I revell in the ones I have and look through my records sometimes just for the sake of looking at them. I'm also taken with many categories of art. I'm never going to own some of the paintings I admire. If I buy a print of a painting for my own pleasure then so be it. If I put that print in a frame that is like the original, I think I'm starting to tread a difficult path. If I sell that picture and frame on ebay - putting it out into the world, am I in part responsible for the third or fourth buyer along a chain being fooled into buying something they believe is genuine and isn't? In part I agree with the buyer beware philosophy but the facilities for forgery are more accessible these days. I feel a bit precious about the rare soul scene, it's been part of me longer than most things in my life. Some records are simply great works of music, some are even greater because they are so hard to acquire. I would prefer that those who care do what we can to celebrate and enjoy rare soul music, that may have been lost if not for this scene, and frown upon anything that cheapens it. I don't want to listen to a DJ playing boots under any disguise, I would prefer to think that the scene is important to that DJ, and part of that scene is rarity and the dedication of seeking out that rarity. But like I said, who am I.......

There was a similar musicor demo finishing around the same time, Marie Knight. I know, I know, this topic has more than done the rounds, but for some reason I found this getting to me tonight. I don't think sellers can get morally let off so easily. On a scene built around rarity selling blatant forgeries has to be questionable at best. Both items had the same buyer. I don't get it - why fool yourself? I rarely don't like these and wish buyers wouldn't. In saying that I have to acknowledge that I purchased many a bootleg pressing in the 70s. Perhaps my concern is linked to technology making duplication easier, and the world market for records will see someone getting ripped of with these along the line. In producing them you must know the potential for abuse. Perhaps I'm just feeling grumpy tonight.

Stick with it Mark, I think it can take a few months for this time to become the habit time that Solar was. Need to get used to setting the alarm in my head for 10.00 on Sunday. Found it useful to have starpoint on-line whilst I catch up with a few days bargain snapping on ebay. Show is just as good as ever, best wishes, Dean.

Thanks Steve, appreciate the reply. Not quite sure of some of the stuff purchased as a "youth", seems like everything was £1 - no doubt with change for fish-and-chips. Sometimes like to put htis into a spot and wanted to make sure. Dean.