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these are from the hy-lit show in philly. some incredible footage from that show.

Well I honestly didn't see anything else special going on. Sorry to be a smartass.

TONS of djs. now you know it's true.

If you're playing from a laptop with serato, you technically are playing vinyl

fwiw, the corporation search on the Pennsylvania website is broken

we're pretty much in agreement on this even this is not totally clear -- e.g. what constitutes an "editorial context", especially if it's a for-profit business. For example, allmusic is filled with reviews of artists. At face value that's "editorial". However, they license out their content to tons of places, making it pretty commercial.

except in cases of fair use, which is admittedly a mess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use it's pretty easy for soul publicity photos to know the copyright holder as most are watermarked at the bottom with the specific studio (e.g. kriegsman). I do know an IP lawyer but I haven't talked to him about the use of publicity photos in books. I have talked to a guy I play poker with, who is a music-related book publisher.

This whole thread* is about the application of copyright to photos, nobody was saying they were public domain. I acknowledged that fair use is totally blurry but what I stated is the reality of how most book publishers and record labels treat the photos. Googling won't reveal that. I specifically heard something about Kriegsman photos going into the public domain, anyone have any info on that? *Edit: sub-thread

I think it got picked up by atlantic distribution which is also why it's more common. and you can get it on vinyl.

also, are all copies styrene? because this one says "vinyl" (I know that doesn't mean anything) but it also looks different than other copies in popsike https://www.popsike.com/PROMO-NORTHERN-SOUL-45-THE-HONEY-BEES-LETS-GET-BACK-TOGETHER-CLEAN/290623692106.html

I also have only seen white label copies of anything on Garrison. Maybe stock copies are also white label and DJ copies explicitly say DJ copy so it appears that they're all promos but aren't?

I thought about it and divine providence is definitely the most awesome reason to only play 45s. "GOD SAYS ONLY PLAY 45S"..

His most common 45 (I don't know if this the one you wanted) is a nice deep soul cut called "I'm hurt". Little Tommy = Tyrone Thomas. He redid "I'm hurt" with the Whole Darn Family.

this probably doesn't help, but here is a listing for jamie / guyden record distributor from 1967: it's from this: i have one more place i can look

I think what happened is that two different sellers had a copy to sell and listed them within a couple of days of each other. Or they could have listed them at the same time but with different auction end times. That way when you look at ebay there are two copies for sale within a couple of days.

from merriam websters Definition of PROVIDENCE 1 a often capitalized : divine guidance or care b capitalized : God conceived as the power sustaining and guiding human destiny 2 : the quality or state of being provident mp3s sound worse because they don't have crackle and hiss like trashed records?

This is true, but the fair use argument is entirely separate -- e.g. copyrighted photos, used in an educational / discographical context, for profit or not, potentially falls under fair use. Obviously everyone thinks everything is "fair use" but it's pretty standard for music book publishers and liner note publishers at this point (even though they are making a .profit) to claim fair use on publicity photos. The publicity photo aspect just adds to the argument -- e.g. the photos were sent out there to give a face to the group. It's also worth noting that "publicity photos" weren't always made for editorial context -- the whole reason that there is that huge globe poster collection is that the photos were taken and used so that the group's picture could be reproduced on the poster.

I'm not trying to start something personal with you. Especially as a moderator I should have stayed out of it, this quote "A lot of oppression and poverty that the music was born out of" just struck a nerve. I don't think there's a dialog going on at this point, I'm sorry if my post came across as attacking you and I'm sure you're a nice person. Sorry again.

Later today I'm going to try to send the message to the people who signed up after 12pm.

I live in Chicago. This is your quote: You were responding to a post in a thread entirely about looking up places with google maps. Apparently you were talking about old photographs. You talked about the changing city without understanding how the city changed. The south side (with some exceptions like the Bronzeville neighborhood) has become more blighted when it was vibrant before, and many places look the same just run down -- you were saying that it looks totally different. Has the increased poverty inspired more music that you would enjoy? Do your current conditions inspire great music? Also, I did not see Nation of Islam members patrolling the streets (even though I do regularly see them on the corner selling the "final call" which is their newspaper). I'm not sure what you're referring to. The record murder rate is something that is happening this year though, not last year, and nobody is patrolling the streets to stop it. Anyways, I'm not trying to be a jerk, just pointing out that imagining what it must have been like and imagining that poverty inspired music (which were your words and which sounds like romanticizing to me), really is out of touch. I have no idea what the conditions are like where you live, nor do I pretend to.

he has a bunch of expo records. he has a record on the late 70s scott brothers' capri. the USA record is the one backed by the paramonts, he did not have a release on Ole. he has several records on other labels

also, that said, I don't think there's anything wrong with looking up the addresses where record labels were and seeing what they look like now in google streets. If you want to imagine fine. But do it with a grain of salt and understand that in reality you don't know the context.

it was pretty common for records that got picked up on major labels to have their publishing fully or half bought out by the major label's publishing. if you look at a lot of locally released 45s that got picked up by a national label and compare the two, you'll see that.

a) the google street images Derek is talking about from now, not old photos and books. b) a lot has changed in the last 5 years but before then a large part of the south side still looked the same (except burned out and blighted from being empty / unused). Even now the area pictured is not "barely recognizable" and looks about the same c) the jacklyn address is in south shore, a pretty nice neighborhood. You're romanticising something that you don't know about and the stuff about "hard times" inspiring the music, like you're getting into the heads of the people who made it and imagining what must be happening at those places is problematic. Most places on the south side (excluding the new renovations in bronzeville) used to be much nicer places than they are now. Just now many areas are becoming much worse with record murders in Chicago this summer. Basically they tore down all the projects (which were horrible places to live), everyone got relocated via section 8 housing and other means, and people who were separated or at least settled are now mixed together and fighting for gang / drug territory. Tons of stray bullets hit innocent people. The most recently reported murder (actually I think there has been one since) happened 7 blocks from that photo: https://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8845964 Moreover, you're romanticising poverty, which is inherently problematic. I don't think people who live in poverty appreciate it. Especially the heavily segregated poverty that exists in Chicago (and other places like DC), where people kill their neighbors with guns and crack rather than seeing a way out.

it's much less exciting being at those places in real life than looking at pictures and imagining...