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I don't know if this affects the debate or not, but the sag war fare is mastered very well and sounds better than the original 45.

This is pretty rare now (and all the copies are in the UK). It's a good record but not always in demand. I sold a copy for $250 a year ago which I think is fair. I think you would have to wait a while / find the right buyer to get 300 pounds.

it's a grapevine press of a previously unreleased recording

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I totally don't understand your point at this point. Obviously the records had to be discovered as original vinyl because they weren't reissued until the originals were discovered. I play only original vinyl. But does that mean I have to be against the box? Also, a large percentage of the records weren't played on any scene.

also, the two plus two track was clearly "discovered" by the northern scene, sorry to leave that off

I know I've seen some US dealers with tattered or even photocopied copies of it. Lots of motown records are expensive in the book, that's one thing that's changed a lot in the last decade or two.

are you making a reference to shifty's binder of wanted records with prices? people did earlier things. i found a letter in someone's basement dated some time in the mid-80s from rod shard with a priced list of rare chicago records he wanted to buy.

Hi Lars, I did read your post. I wrote about how the box will get more people into soul 45s and trying to keep people from being able to hear music (except at very limited audience northern clubs) really isn't helping your scene imo. It's killing it. On the other hand, having lots of younger people getting excited about soul sounds on your scene, and getting excited about them being on 45, leads to people starting collecting originals in the long run, establishing local soul nights, etc. The northern events that are supposed to be exclusively OVO will stay that way, if a DJ tries to pass off a numero record as an original it probably would be like a criminal act on the scene. Also, most of the buyers of the box have nothing to do with the scene and few northern DJs will buy the expensive box. Most of the records in the box aren't northern either.

and my point about the grammys was just to say that numero has a much wider audience than the northern audience, and most of the people who bought the syl johnson box set (who are going to be many of the people buying this box) don't know or care about northern soul. and even if this box would not be possible without northern soul (which I'm not seeing), it still doesn't mean that the people buying the box need to care. if the box were a northern-oriented box maybe, but it's clearly not.

my point was not to dis the northern scene and i'm not trying to get into an argument about who discovered what but if you look at the track list, the only track that was clearly established by the "northern scene" was walter and the admerations. and *maybe* the rokk. either way, i don't understand what who discovered what track has to do with anything I said before. I don't even think the admerations record is good, I think it's included almost as a nod to the northern scene. reissuing the records in the box (most of which aren't even northern, most are funk/sweet records) will only get more people interested in 45s. and maybe I didn't bring the records to your attention, but many of the records are records I've had for a long time and brought to numero's attention.

yeah, that is pretty stupid

I only collect originals. But I do support things that get more people into collecting soul 45s.

Legit or not it doesn't matter, you didn't advertise it as such and he didn't fully understand your listing. He should revise his feedback imo.

Honestly, I can't think of anything else that would HELP the scene in the sense of getting new collectors into soul 45s and collecting 45s. What's going to kill off a scene based on 7" vinyl is not allowing anyone new to get into collecting. Them putting this out there is giving people a party in a box. Not a "northern soul event" but the people will be excited to having and playing 7" vinyl. And all the "there are other records to play out there" people really has nothing to do with this argument. Doing a really cool reissue with a box and getting younger people into playing 45s is going to get more people involved with soul 45s. Having a snotty attitude about how they aren't entitled to have them isn't.

Thanks for posting. I moved this to the relevant forum. Thanks.

I don't think Pete knows whether it was legit release, but he advertised it as "2nd issue", which isn't really a claim to legitimacy. I know you aren't familiar with the terminology that people overseas use to describe legit and illegitimate represses but that's pretty much it. Lots of times labels did custom presses just for the UK, other times they are straight bootlegs. I don't think Pete misrepresented the item, or that he has to prove anything. You didn't understand the terminology he was using. It's a misunderstanding. In the end he refunded you and after reading this thread you're still acting like he intentionally defrauded you. He didn't. I think Pete should issue a feedback revision request and you should accept it. I know it doesn't help that people are calling you names either when it was a misunderstanding, but now that everything is laid out here, you really shouldn't neg him. Especially since you're a seller too you should be able to have some perspective on this.

the numero reissues have nothing to do with the northern soul scene. they have a much larger audience. most of the people buying the box are not northern DJs. If they have the side effect of "killing the scene" somehow I doubt they care, they are involved in uncovering, documenting, and paying the artists and producers and making a much larger public hear the music. If reissuing good music and actually paying the artists somehow "kills the scene", what kind of scene is that? last year they were at the grammys, they got nominated for best packaging for their syl johnson box set. i'm pretty sure just about no one at the grammys has heard of "northern soul".

mine just has the first few back pages torn out which i occasionally find under the couch

The numero reissues are all in special designed sleeves that differentiate them even if the labels look the same. the sellers so far haven't tried to hide that. some of the other recent lookalike reissues (e.g. the wheedle's groove) look like the original with nothing differentiating them.

I had a big problem with a person who charged me $30 shipping when it cost $5. I was pissed, and called ebay, and they also told me it was not against the rules. That's not true though, you can report an auction for excessive shipping, it's one of the options when reporting. The guy on the phone at ebay was not helpful. The seller acted like a total ass the whole time, lying, trying to bully me via ebay messages, etc. It was pretty funny because he didn't know how ebay worked very well (I told him this wouldn't help him in the long run). I filed a paypal claim saying that I didn't get what I paid for which is true -- I paid for $30 shipping and got a poorly packed $5 shipping option. I told him I agreed to $30 shipping, because I agreed to pay for a $30 shipping service which he didn't use, and that was what I didn't get. Anyways, it ended with him refunding the difference, me closing the paypal claim, etc.

I agree, lots of unreasonable buyers on ebay.

I meant settle the possible misunderstanding. I know he financially was made whole.

I know it was on soul source. Either way, if it was before he negged you it would piss him off, I don't see why the venue of communication makes a difference. Again, I don't think you did anything wrong. I'm surprised you don't have to deal with crazier people though.

I think you are in the right, I was just trying to explain his possible perspective. If he felt that you were intentionally misrepresenting the item (even though you weren't), saying something like "an original would cost 200 pounds" doesn't help. Also, saying "don't email me again or I'll report you" would piss him off more if he thinks you ripped him off. I bought a bootleg that a label owner misrepresented as an original from him. His response to me was "an original would have cost you $150 so it obviously wasn't an original". That pissed me off.