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jamaican VG+ maybe

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yeah, it looks like they probably thought of the idea when they were high and didn't think it through all the way. plus i can't imagine that is "high quality" as described in the news report.

ok . the only scan that grant could find on popsike looks like styrene.

I saw something, don't know if it was on TV on the internet, but there were photos. It was a jamaican weed smuggling ring where the weed was dried and pressed into 12" discs and then put inside regular LP covers.

that popsike copy also looks styrene while pete's pics look like vinyl

Also, btw, Eugene Todd and Leon Barber are the E.L. in G.E.L. (the label and the production company).

I just checked and Soul Harmony Singles now says Pittsburgh, I think Jeff got more detailed information since I last talked to him. Here is the listed membership: "Sisters Crystal and Penny Wilson, plus one unknown member." The lady from the Fawns did say Philly though. Either way, they are definitely not DC, the fact that they were on a DC label makes it not surprising that there were DC songwriters.

Someone offered me a copy that was essentially mint but had some weird pressing bubbles (it wasn't heat damage or anything like that, I haven't ever seen anything like that before). They don't affect play and the needle doesn't move up and down. If interested, PM me with an offer and I'll see if the guy is interested in selling at that price. Thanks.

That is a Jamaican seller. They frequently have Jamaican boots for sale.

The lovations were definitely from Philadelphia. One of the Fawns (who were DC) confirmed this. That is also why they have a record on Segue which was a philly label. I suspect Part III might actually be a Philly label and not DC (despite being listed at dcsoulrecordings.com) because the Sherlock Holmes thing on Part III reminds me of the Sherlock Homes Investigation, but that is just speculation. But the Lovations were from DC for sure. They are also not the Lovelettes, those are two different recordings of the same song.

"sticks and stones and kerosene" "hold tight <?> soul brother muhammad" [elijah muhammad] "carmichael [stokely], brown [h. rap], mckinsey [dennis?????], the late dr. king" "hollin" should be "hollering" the last one is unintelligble

I'm pretty sure they don't actually, it's pretty complicated (I'm not being sarcastic). Even "producer" (totally different than "publisher") isn't that simple.

I think it's all the pre-Hi material.

Sorry to not be clear. There are two soul walkers 45s on cardinal avalon. I thought one was included in the box and one was the bonus.

Well it's the "other" soul walkers.

I'm not denying this, I'm acknowledging that this can happen with specific records. it's obviously less "special" now. I'm sort of questioning how that really destroys the scene, it's not like Butch and Dyson's sets were reissued in a box. I understand that it takes a piece of something that's very special to you away from you. But again a) I question a scene built entirely on exclusivity, like it's been destroyed by a box that has a couple rare northern records in it (most of which have previously been reissued) and b) I think the importance of this relatively small scene in your world obscures the larger impact of the box on the world. it's kind of like if there was a secret special underground club where only you and like minded people went. opening that up to everyone else makes it less special. lol

I'm moving this to look in your box as it's more about records / ebay. Also, not sure why you made this post. I know you're not the seller. Did you want to be the first to post about it?

so the scene is going to die because you don't have to travel to dance to two plus two on an original 45? that's a good example actually. That record was already reissued before the box. Did that kill the scene? Is it a negative that you no longer want to pay $6000 for an original? are clubs in the UK much darker than clubs in the US? My point was that the top DJs that play on the scene you're talking about have some sort of personal integrity where they don't try to pass off represses as originals. If someone all of a sudden showed up with a mint copy of an ultra-rare original, people would be pretty suspicious as to where it came from, be trying to look at it and the deadwax, etc. In fact, for most ultra-rare records, you usually know exactly where the record came from (in terms of the seller), right?

honestly, I can at least partially understand how special the scene is to the people who are upset about the box. It's an important part of your and other people's lives.

to address this specific point -- numero will only work with artists who they are actually able to locate (or in a few cases the families of the artists). There are a bunch of cases where there were some in demand 45s (some of them which they wanted to use for this box) that they could have licensed from the producer and publisher but which the artist wanted nothing to do with. They actually passed on those records. Also, it really seems you are making a straw-man argument. Numero has put checks in many people's hands, and in the case where they get film / tv syncs, artists have actually received large checks AND seen their music used on film / TV. Their family also sees the fans of the music posting on youtube, etc. and gets excited.

This honestly shows how you don't understand the much larger market that numero has. Plenty of casual music fans who buy records (there are tens of thousands of them) buy numero product, in the US and elsewhere. I'm on another message board consisting of mostly LP collectors who buy all sorts of genres and many of them who don't even buy soul LPs bought the box set because it was so cool in terms of the packaging, diversity of music, etc. It was even mostly sold via preorder. Lots of people who don't even buy much music buy every numero LP. This is not an attempt to disrespect you, I think that the specialness of being in an exclusive scene can really hide the much larger world of music buyers out there.

to say it's doing no favor to "the scene" is short sighted imo. In the short term, yes, it may slightly hurt the upfront scene consisting of a relatively small group of people who attend upfront soul nights where the music policy is based on the rarity / exclusivity of records possessed by the top DJs. I understand that hearing an exclusive tune that you waited months to hear and traveled to hear is a special experience for most of the 800 people attending the night. In the long run, however, it will get many more people into soul 45 collecting and get many more nights started where collectors eventually will seek out rare original 45s. That seems more sustainable that the elite group of (mostly older) people who travel to hear specific rare records. Moreover, it seems unlikely that DJs on that particular scene will try to pass off any represses as originals. It would be like blasphemy and they would get excommunicated quickly. The people who go to the upfront scene still can participate the same way they did before. Also, the point was already made that the box is not mostly northern records. So is it really true that it's better to withhold a box that contains the potential to get much new blood (e.g. from the US) into "the scene" than potentially (but not really imo, if the policy is "OVO") ruining a couple records for a couple DJs? Finally, I've made this point before, a scene should be built on DJs putting together great sets of great music. Not DJs dropping $$$$s on a few expensive records. That type of exclusivity is unsustainable in the digital age -- similar to how "information wants to be free". If you think you can keep a record uncirculated / unknown / unrecorded for very long in the global internet age, you're not being realistic. If people can already hear the records on their computers, does it ruin the specialness of traveling to an event to hear the original? if not, then how does a repress which wouldn't be allowed at that event anyways ruin the specialness?

what do you mean "descended into"? "OVO" is in the first post.