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The first light blue label should be thick vinyl. I doubt there is a bootleg. The second water waves label is the more flexible 80s style vinyl.

has anyone looked at the skipping copy under a scope? I've seen mismanufactured 45s where the grooves go nowhere and it's impossible to fix, but if there's an obstruction in the grooves in the plates you can actually fix it.

This thread is still sort of ambivalent. Still, the record is such an important northern 45 that I would think it would definitely be known here if even an acetate exists. I'm just going to say it doesn't exist. Thanks everyone.

I'm sure that this must have been discussed at some point, and I would just say "no" as I would have seen it in a manship auction or on ebay at some point, and I've never seen it. But I've had people in real life tell me it does. The people on this forum would definitely be the experts on this specific topic though. Does it? If not, does someone have an acetate or something. Thanks in advance.

awesome, thanks so much!

I would pay the $1 if you still have it...

Also, the biggest chicago record in the style you're talking about (again, do it any way you wanna probably gets played a little more...) is the Notations "I'm still here". So Chicago.

Also, re: the specific songs you asked about, "sentimental man" is the flip of "the beginning of my end" which was the hit side. "The beginning of my end" actually still gets played by herb kent (I personally do prefer sentimental man but it doesn't get played). Delfonics "I was there" is an obscure record, it doesn't get played, but their first record "He don't really love you" was a hit and also still gets played.

yeah, you're not going to hear ultra rare local chicago records, it's hits in Chicago. "do it any way you wanna" was one of the biggest chicago 70s hits. People did "the football" to it.

no, royal premiers "I can't make it if I try" only came out on MBS. it's a new york production btw, produced by Larrie Lucie, so the Royal Premiers are probably from NYC. They had an earlier 45 on Toy though.

I think Mir-A-Don is first though, it's a local DC label, MBS isn't. I agree with Dave that rarity doesn't always equate to "first" though. I think MBS probably just picked up the first release for distribution.

African American listeners in Chicago don't say "oldies" they say "dusties". There is an "oldies" station targeted toward white people. The term did start in Chicago. As to specific music, it would refer to specific favorites hits in Chicago, just like any local hits in other cities. If you want to get an idea of them, check out Herb Kent on Sunday nights on V103 (you can listen online). One of the original Good Guys DJs in Chicago still playing music.

This is not necessarily true. A heavy tracking cartridge can (and is often) mistracking so it's pulling more against one specific side. In fact, more tracking weight tends to pull the arm inward, which is why you have to adjust your antiskate according to the tracking weight.

one thing that's weird is that james "bull" parks wrote and I think produced (I would have to pull it out to check) the bean brothers release. the bull and the matadors dude (who at least was in st louis at the time).

ok, it's definitely vinyl. i don't see residue in your photo. it looks shiny. it's definitely not offgassing. i would definitely NOT play it through with a heavy needle, I think it needs a good cleaning first at least. a record cleaner machine (like a VPI, okki nokki, etc.) won't get a 45 as clean as you can get it. do you know someone locally who knows how to clean 45s well? I usually charge people but I would clean it for free for you, but you would have to send it to the US. Also, if it truly is the grooves and not dirt (which is rare for a vinyl record) that means the grooves are damaged and there's nothing you can do. The grooves would be damaged from being played with a too heavy stylus, or just a pressing problem (rare, although someone above notes a specific pressing problem that happens with some copies of this record).

this is a DC record. Archie Powell (RIP) was later in the Presidents on Sussex.

I think you really need to determine what the source of the noise is before taking any action. Post pics of the record / vinyl (or styrene).

also came out on paramount

Friday Saturday and Sunday "There must be something". This copy is a nice VG, conservatively, has full gloss and lots of very slight, short scuffs on each side. There is one slightly bigger scuff on the "there must be something" side. White labels have slight ringwear and someone wrote "Gail" lightly in blue pen on the Potato Salad side. I just found a mint copy, this is my old copy. I had it for many years, since before the record was in demand, and didn't feel the need to upgrade then. Here is full high quality stereo audio: https://www.divshare.com/download/23867244-306 paypal gift, $150, $2.50 shipping US, $11.50 shipping to most overseas locations. Trades for obscure group soul considered. Satisfaction guaranteed. Thanks. SOLD

Are you sure you're talking about miradon 1000? if so, is it stamped or actually printed on the label?

the thick covers were kind of stiff, right? over time they get brittle. Those are the polyvinyl (versus polyethylene or polypropylene or mylar) outser sleeves. The results of offgassing are initially just visual, but most frequently the vinyl is actually messed up.

shuga records is in minneapolis so it seems likely that it's from there. i can't believe someone made an offer that they accepted on their $1200 list.

rereading your post, you mention "residue from plastic lined wallets". That may mean it was stored in a stiff vinyl outer sleeve which permanently destroys 45s by offgassing and leeching plastic onto the record. The record would have a dull / cloudy sort of look to it. if you post a picture of the 45 people should be able to tell you a) whether it is vinyl or styrene and b) whether it has been ruined from plastic offgassing

nobody has mentioned whether the record in question is styrene or not, it makes a big difference in what the problem is. i assume it is styrene.

I have a ring-o-leevio 45 by the Toreadors on Pawn [aka the matadors on keith] from 1963. its not related, it's a male group, just dating the dance. EDIT: saw someone suggested it above. the pawn 45 is a male group.