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Thanks for all the info. I have the 2 combinations 45s on kellmac and I don't think there's a connection at this point. Still wondering about the dreams, though. Thanks.

Thank you, I will email you and publicly reply if I find anything, I appreciate it. Obviously there was the Chicago DJ Joe Cobb, but he didn't really write songs, so I don't know if that was him and that is a common last name. Thanks.

That's fine, I'll post when I get "facts". You're constantly making assumptions about stuff (e.g. even in this thread -- "maybe it was run by CH Brewer" -- and coming up with more random theories about how it related to beer -- the guy who ran the chirrup label died in the early 70s and was not "CH Brewer"), often coming up with straight up wrong information, and posting it as "FACT". In that rouser thread, there were two long convoluted theories about how the record got pressed on rouser, both were speculation, yet you presented yours as "FACT". Neither one is 'FACT' as there isn't complete information there. Here there really isn't complete information either. I don't send you smart-ass emails making fun of you every time (frequently) there's misinformation in your auctions. There's no need for you to be rude or self-righteous. I agree that frequently artists have wrong information themselves, but at least they were there and it's usually more correct than record collectors speculating from across the ocean. Also, certain people are very knowledgable and have good memories and other people don't, it's easy to tell based on who you're talking to. I also don't understand why you pointed me to the scans on your website when they're unreadable. If you don't want to make them readable fine, but it's pointless to tell me to look there then. You then go on to quote all sorts of info from the record that I obviously don't have a copy of to read myself. Do you want me to have the info or not? Or do you just want to present whatever bits of info help out your argument? For example, if I saw some names, I could connect them to people I know in Chicago or people potentially outside of Chicago. I'm actively trying to uncover the history of Chicago vocal soul groups to interview them (often before they die, as many people are dying). I am very interested in these groups if they are Chicago (which I still think they're not). I will post a follow up (and hopefully an interview) if I find they're chicago. I have made contact with probably more than half of the soul groups that have recorded in Chicago between 1960 and 1980 (even ultra-obscure ones that only recorded one record), so it's at least not totally meaningless that I've not found the ebo-nees or invaders. I also have pretty much never gotten a record from a single artist I've contacted -- they NEVER have copies of their own records, I give away pretty much any double I have to the original artist (that is, if it's worth $100 or less). Thanks.

I know of other sudcity productions on chicago things (for example, I have a title on the related MARSI label). Either way, I don't think this is Chicago. I have talked to literally hundreds of Chicago artists (many more than the probably ~100 people interviewed on my web page). No one has also heard of these groups. Of course, that still doesn't mean that it's not Chicago, as there are some very obscure groups from different parts of the city that no one has also heard of. However, I still think that these are not Chicago. I will ask around more about this and see what I come up with, I know some people who had some connections to Chirrup, now that I know that the label says chirrup on it (which I did not know before, can anyone produce a scan?) and see if I get more info.

thanks a lot, I have two more recent shows posted here in the media forum if you look. I appreciate the listens.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and trying to make fun of me. Either way, lotusland knows way more about milwaukee than me, he's talked to the many milwaukee artists. If this were about a Chicago artist, I would be more adamant about what I was saying. Also, I can't think why in the world any Chicago label would call itself "brewtown".

Thanks a lot for that link. I can't really read the scan, but it says "tee fletcher" on vocals and it doesn't sound like the same group either. I think the kimtone group is not the kellmac group. Still would like to hear or see the dreams. Thanks.

I've seen the scans on your website, they're not readable, I'm looking for a readable scans. Thanks. ps. being distributed by chirrup DOESN'T mean it's not milwaukee, for example, the venus label which was distributed by one-der-ful, but it was all milwaukee artists

I've never heard or seen this record (dreams on kellmac). Does anyone have it? Can someone provide a scan? Also, I'm interested in a scan or audio of the combinations on kimtone, would like to see if there are common names to confirm that it's the same group as on kellmac. Thanks.

I don't know if this is the philosophy with many UK sellers, but I've gotten a bunch of records off of this site from people graded at like EX that I would grade VG- or worse visually. It's misleading to at least not give the visual grade, you can say "plays EX" if you want, but that doesn't make it EX or VG+.

there was a copy on lew stanley's auction that ended Monday. You could call him to ask if he sold it.

a related question then: have you ever found a copy of either of the two records in milwaukee? can anyone post a scan of either to give a clue?

That's fine, but I don't think the brewtown is Chicago. I think I'm at least more informed that the people who put out the goldmine CD, which contains more than just this one non-chicago track. One thing that's interesting, though, is if you search the web you will find an invaders on a brewtown label (a white group) active TODAY. Maybe they have some connection to the original group? I have also seen a different garage-ish invaders 45 from the 60s on a label that I think was from either milwaukee or chicago (I saw it at a record show last weekend and didn't buy it, I will try to contact the guy who had it). Also, I was specifically giving the good intentions as an example of a brewtown that was milwaukee, I thought you were saying that no "brewtown" records were from milwaukee and not that this brewtown was different from the 70s brewtown.

there are many other titles on the label. My favorite are the ebo-nees and the creators featuring vic pitts cheaters "why why why".

Obviously you would know more than me. But didn't you or one of the guys get into the good intentions group and it was milwaukee?

you could always offer me a trade!

no, it's milwaukee, the goldmine comp has a few non-chicago things, that brewtown record actually has absolutely no connection to chicago. Even the label name makes it obvious that it's milwaukee.

I like this Leonard Adeair much better than the Stage Productions 45, partly because I collect groups and the Stage Productions 45 only has a Marvin Gaye style over-dub and no backing group. Either way this is a much harder record. Robert Kelly was one of the Kelly Brothers (and the King Pins). The guy that ran one way was Offe Reese, who was a member of the King Pins (from which some members became the Kelly Brothers).

I only had a few PMs about this with an offer of $500. I'm not sure if this is unknown because it is so obscure, but this is an extremely rare 45 that never comes up for sale. I think it's pictured in one of the guides (I think the Tim Brown guide) in a section of rare 45s. Here is audio of the b-side, which is also pretty good (but not as good as the a-side, which is really nice): ladeair2.mp3 The flip plays with some crackle at the beginning, as you can hear. I will take offers of cash or trades until Saturday night. Thanks.

I saw you win that on ebay, I thought it was a reasonable price, this usually goes for more, and 60 pounds seems reasonable (although you didn't mention the condition). Backing group on this is the c-quents by the way, this is a DC record. There are 3 titles on this label, the rarest one is the al haskins 45 (manship had an acetate of that up fairly recently), I remember a few copies of the al haskins came out of that west coast saturn records find.

this is the live version of "tonight's the night" (although a "live" version of the "live version", as this isn't the original live version off the LP). This was her biggest hit in Chicago (bigger than clean up woman), this still gets played on the radio every week off of her 1977 (I think) live LP.

is this the same lyrics as on goldwax / abc? Do you have a sound clip?

Also, I'm emailing out a link to my show each week with a playlist, pm me if you want me to put your email address on the list of people I send the message out to. Thanks.

Here is the mp3: www.sittinginthepark.com/7-15-2007.mp3 Here is a playlist.Thanks. Betty Scott and the Del-vetts - Good Feeling - Teako Eight Minutes - Next time he'll be good - Perception Brenda Parker - Help me find my good man - Black Falcon Full Speed - It must be love - Real Thing Sandy + Stylettes - I've got two loves - Rem Vonns - So many days - King Linda Jones - Fugitive from love - Blue Cat Tiffanys - Gossip - Atlantic Hi Fashions - Billy Knows - Dynovoice Bob Kuban Band - Jerkin' time - Norman Escorts - You can't even by my friend - RCA Rex Garvin + the mighty cravers - Queen of the go go - Tower Legends - Hideout - McKays Micky McCullers - Who you gonna run to - VIP Attractions - Some of your time - Bell New Trends - My Summer love - Brooks Ultimates - Just because you've gone and left me - Capito Vanguards - Somebody Please (long version) - L&M Lo-kals - You lied - Drocer Vitamin E - Sharing - Buddah Dyshions - I wish that I could see you - The Dyshions Jeffrey Sears + the Sound Persuasion Band - Deli que - Black Seed Forth Session - She's Gone - Jayville

i'm sure you all know this already, but just in case, "gonna be a showdown" is an archie bell cover where they took the lyrics and made them about jesus. The original is one of the best archie bell songs too.