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This doesn't really help, but this is the only female song I could think of with "yearning" in the hook and it's not this: sorry I couldn't be of more help, i'm sure someone will think of it.

So I always knew about Chuck Jackson's massive hit "I don't wanna cry" from 1961, which many people covered and which he has writing credits on. I just found out about Big Maybelle's version on Savoy from 1957. Not only is it the same song, it has the same backing track as Chuck Jackson. It also doesn't have Jackson as a writer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp-AJ895S8k Big Maybelle's version was reissued on Scepter after Jackson's hit and Jackson is credited as a writer. What is the deal with this? It's like some sort of R&B time travel conspiracy or something. Or is there a simpler explanation that I'm missing?

If it makes you feel better, almost nobody in the US knows about the baggy pants.

for ultra-rarities collectors can't be as picky. i don't think the price was super high. the only other copy i think i've seen was a manship auction, has it been on ebay before?

I don't believe this or the patrice holloway had only 6 pressed. One thing I think people never understand is that most records that got "into the wild" haven't survived. People think because there was some ultra rare record there must have been 50 pressed or something when in reality there was more likely 1000 pressed, a lot of the stock never distributed and discarded, and out of the 200-300 that got into people's hands, most were thrown away. The idea that there could be 6 records pressed, all of them getting into regular people's collections, and not have almost all of them thrown away is very unlikely.

That mable press has to be late '70s or early '80s by the font and by the dating of when James Hendrix when to the Carolinas.

no problem, i'm sorry if i came across as a jerk, wasn't trying to be

he also has an earlier record on omega sound but neither side sounds like the "friends" track you're describing

There is a 3rd release on the label. Duke redid a version of "sugar baby" in the '80s, a similar top label design but a little more '80s looking. I have a friend who told me he used to know Duke but I don't really remember any details. The '70s version of "sugar baby" was also reissued on Crajon, both came out in '74.

Also, one more point -- it's unlikely that Cole kept the same stampers from the '70s and reused them in the '90s. If you've ever come across old stampers, they are metal and usually all bent up. You can make a new stamper from a mother plate but usually all that stuff stays at the pressing plant. I would think he would likely only reuse them within in a short period of time

I am *not* saying that there is only one '70s rock-way press. I don't know. All I am saying is that at the time of the thread, collectors in the thread only knew about the non-credited version from the '70s (they also didn't know about the German EMI version at that time or the Cole label press). I don't own any press except a '90s one and just don't know. I think I have seen a beat up version with arranger credits found "in the wild" on ebay, which would lend evidence of a '70s press with arranger credits.

actually I only find three post "family cooking" singles. Are these all of them? Are they all soul? are they all the same group of musicians / singers? Limmie - You make me feel good / Get it all together - Pye (UK) 7N 45600 - [1976] Limmie Funk Limited - Soul rules O.K. ? / We've come to the end of the road - Polydor (UK) 2058 913 [1977] Limmie - Saturday night's the night / Party - Psycho (UK) 2604 [1978]

ok i found the limmie 45, thanks a lot. it looks like he has a bunch more singles on pye.

yeah, i'm asking if there was a release in the '70s as limmie and funk? thanks a lot.

hi steve, are you saying that there's a '70s press of "saturday night" by "limmie funk ltd"? And that it's related to Limmie and Family Cooking? Can you give more info? For the record, Limmie of Limmie and Family Cooking is the same person as Lemme B Goode on Mercury.

try not to get so upset about things on internet message boards and have a sense of humor about yourself, whether or not you think the other person is funny. your post was funny.

Hi Chalky, I just read that thread twice. Cole says that the "non-bootleg" press (meaning the one from the '90s that he was selling to the open market) has engineer credits and everyone else is saying that 1975 originals don't. There's no acknowledgement by collectors of a '70s copy with engineer credits and Cole's (confusing) argument is that the only "non-bootlegs" (which I think he means '90s presses) have engineer credits. So it's not clear where '70s presses with engineer credits fit in.

Manship's book wasn't wrong about the deadwax details of either, just more explicit about one. I'm not sure how anyone would know whether the arranger credit or no arranger credit is first unless Mr. Cole specifically says which one was first, especially since the identical matrix gives no clues. Thanks everyone for helping to answer my question!

It's Soul Patrol "need of love" on highland. Although "various artists" did cut a lot of records

also, I'm sure all the songs are covers, although not every song was in the audio file to confirm: - ain't no big thing is a radiants cover - lucky ole sun is pretty much a traditional - sweet little girl is a manhattans cover - underdog is a sly cover as soulhawk mentioned - don't look back is probably a temptations cover - don't waste your time is a 5 stairsteps cover - no time for your is a commands cover - you that i need is probably a temptations cover

this is the record Robb mentioned, the label is Ava:

The discogs comment may have just been (incorrectly?) extrapolating info based on the Manship guide omitting the detail of the "backwards 3" for one of the descriptions. Manship probably had each copy in his hand at a different time, noted the info, but never had both in his hands at once to compare. He may have just left off the "e" info one of the times he was taking notes. Or they might be different, I don't know, but I think it's unlikely that whoever wrote the discogs comment had both copies to compare. He doesn't explicitly say that the other one *doesn't* look like a backwards three and they sound identical in all other ways. I'm going with the same plates theory for now, although I'd love to see a pic of the other press to confirm / deny.

Hi. Today on my radio show (5/4/2014) I did an all new music show. I played early '60s female R&B, uptempo and midtempo '60s male group tracks, and sweet soul from the '60s, '70s, and '80s. You can listen at: https://www.sittinginthepark.com/5-4-2014.mp3? You can listen to other shows and interviews with Chicago groups by going to my main page www.sittinginthepark.com Also, if someone you know wants to subscribe to this email list, they can add themselves at the following URL: https://eepurl.com/n7Qr5 Playlist follows and I hope you enjoy the show. Dolores Gibson - I got a feeling - Elloma Byrdie Green - Tremblin' - End Deanie Parker - Each step I take - Volt Flora Williams - Blue with a broken heart - Sonja Jaynetts - Sally, go round the roses - Tuff Anthony and the Aqua Lads - I remember - Gold Bee Blendels - You need love - Dontee Fascinators - In other words - Bombay Enjoyables - Shame - Shrine Duane Calver and the Clairmonts - I think it's gonna be someone new - DMD Deon Jackson - Love makes the world go round - Carla Eddie Hill - Nothing sweeter (than you girl) - M-S Johnny Starr - Don't block the road - Mala Gene Taylor - You got my nose wide open - Minit Manhattans - That new girl - Carnival Chuck Bernard - She's already married - Satellite Gene Chandler - Just be true - Constellation Brand New Faces - I don't wanna' cry - Lujuna Inspirations - I've cried - Conduc Jay Walker and the Pedestrians - I've been trying - Meteor Illusions - Is it true - Concept Swiss Movement - Keep on loving you - RCA Pamoja - We belong together - Soulvation Army Fantastic Four - Mixed up moods and attitudes - Westbound Star Wing - It's true - Zockrock Holiday - Getting kind of serious - Marathon thanks, Bob

basically it looks like a cursive e in that photo. which label is that so someone can compare it to the opposite label? thanks for your help.

This sounds like a White soul band from Ohio, most of those tracks are covers, this could have been a demo for shows. I don't see a Way Out connection and there was no released record by a Charades on Way Out. Robb, what is "choreo"? The New York group recorded for Okeh, Mercury, and MGM and included Cuba Gooding Sr. pre-Main Ingredient.