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look at this: https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=180339281551 you can't really see the label in the auction but i pulled out my copy and compared and i think it is the lyndell record

i know, that was the joke

NWOIHM?

the seller is famous?

I want you to make my life over actually has Robert Dobyne singing lead and not Marvin, Marvin had left the group again at that point. That's the track that currently gets played on the radio most in Chicago for some reason though.

plus the lovelites sing backup on the anna raye song... there are a ton of them but one that always struck me was the arcades - there's got to be a loser and the impressions - i'm the one that loves you

actually the producer of the record (who also produced westbound freeway on fraternity) was selling it to people to resell

they only cut 4 singles but one was released with 2 b-sides so they released 9 songs. they did not do a track called "stand in for love" -- are you thinking of the o'jays?

here is the bio I wrote up: Yesterday on my radio show I interviewed Marvin Smith of the Artistics. Marvin Smith was from the west side of Chicago, and first started signing professionally when he left Crane high school to replace Pirkle Lee Moses as lead of the El Dorados. The group cut a record as the Four Eldorados for the Academy label and went to the Bay Area to do perform. The group performed in California for a couple of years, cutting a record under the name the Tempos for the Rhythm label. The group returned to Chicago after work in California dried up. Upon returning to Chicago, Marvin Smith decided to promote himself as a solo singer. His Crane classmate Major Lance introduced Smith to Carl Davis, who signed Marvin to Okeh records. Soon after signing, Davis had Smith go to a recording session with the Artistics; the Artistics had already released a single - "I need your love" / "What'll I do" for Okeh records in 1963. The Artistics' lead singer, Robert Dobyne, had left the group and Davis had Smith replace him as lead of the group for the recording. The group's first single with Smith, "Get my hands on some loving", actually written by Marvin Gaye and Mickey Stevenson, had a great Chicago / Detroit sound and got some radio play in Chicago. The group's next Okeh single, "Patty cake", also had a nice Chicago sound and received some play. It was not until the group's next single - "This heart of mine" / "I'll come running", that the Artistics finally scored a big hit. Both sides of the record were written by Barrett Strong; the single was one of the most Motown sounding records to come out of Chicago. The group released one more single, "Loveland", on Okeh before Carl Davis left the label and took his groups to Brunswick records. At Brunswick records, Smith finally got the opportunity to be billed as a solo artist. Davis encouraged the group members to write material and in a single recording session cut what would be Smith's biggest solo record as well as the Artistics biggest hit record. In late 1966, Brunswick records released "Time stopped" / "Have more time" as by Marvin Smith (although he was backed by the Artistics). The record became a big hit for Smith. At the same time, Brunswick released "I'm gonna miss you" as by the Artistics - the record - one of the greatest Chicago soul records - became an even bigger hit than Smith's solo record and got national play. Marvin left the group to promote himself as a solo artist, finding singer Tommy Green to replace him as lead and occasionally performing with the Artistics at shows. Brunswick released 2 more singles on Marvin Smith (all recorded at the same original session), but neither had the success of "Time stopped". After a couple of years, Smith rejoined the Artistics and, at Brunswick records, recorded the excellent "What happened", along with a whole album's worth of standards. The single unfortunately received little radio play and Marvin Smith asked for a release from his contract. The Artistics continued to record at Brunswick with several other lead singers, including "I want you to make my life over" with original lead singer Robert Dobyne as well as their final Brunswick single with singer Jimmy Short, previously of the Accents and Original Breed. In the early 70s, Smith signed to Curtis Mayfield's Curtom records. The label released the single "You're really something Sadie" / "Who will do your running now" on their Mayfield records subsidiary. The "Sadie" side received a lot of play in Chicago, although the "Running" side later became the collectible track played in "Northern Soul" clubs in the UK. Unfortunately, Smith received little promotion at Curtom and although he cut more material, none of it was ever released. Smith released one final single - "Let the good times roll" / "Ain't that a shame" on Contempo records. The record was produced by Major Lance and Smith finally got to record a song by his idol Sam Cooke; however, the track received little radio play. After the record, Smith left music to focus on his career, occasionally returning to do shows with the Artistics.

I always heard that a big part of it related to the original format war -- they were trying to push one formate over the other, the big hole made the 45 players "incompatible" with the 33s.

I don't have time to write up a bio today (will do it tomorrow and post a follow-up), but if you are interested, I put up my Marvin Smith interview on my interviews page: https://www.sittinginthepark.com/interviews.html thanks, Bob

the album is from 1971 so it has to be from then. you're the expert on UK 45s but the US record isn't worth anything.

Rob is wrong saying that all Duo records were recorded in Chicago, for example, Sheryl says the oncoming times record was recorded in new jersey. Leroy and the Drivers were an ohio group, that may have been a licensed in production. Also, some of the brothers of soul-connected Chicago records actually were recorded in Detroit, for example, ric williams sent the Chicago group the creations to detroit to work with the Brothers of Soul, the Chicago group ended up not being able to sing which is why the brothers of soul ended up singing, but it definitely happened in detroit.

the vashonettes were a chicago group and chicago production though. i think it's chicago musicians too but i'm not sure. johnny williams was also in chicago at the time, not a detroit artist.

what label is the CD you just put up on? Frank seemed to think that their stuff was never reissued legitimately? I can send you a CD of all the fantastic epics tracks if you're interested in those also, then you would have all the material... except the crystal winds lp I guess.

I couldn't tell you who played on what, most of the session people I talked to also couldn't as they played on so many things and don't remember the records. I'm pretty sure the valentinos records were recorded in chicago though so if it's detroit musicians they were brought here.

The lead singer for rose royce was previously in the diamonettes on alston (this info comes from willie clarke). Their hit "love don't live here anymore" was written by one of the Chicago group Roe-o-tation.

so you're a big fan of that lucky lou release too?

Bill Brown, lead of the Shades of Brown, called me today and said he was looking to do shows in the UK. He has a band put together and he is a very talented singer and musician (I've heard him perform). I told him I would ask around. If anyone knows anyone who might be interested in booking, please pm me. Thanks a lot.

it would be awesome if the cd you got back was just the hattie littles track burned onto cd

do you have the final 2 45s they put out on curtom? they are sort of hard to find with the b-sides. They didn't shorten their name for contractual reasons as it was done the whole time they were at curtom, he talks about it in the interview, he says that people didn't know who rasputin was and couldn't pronounce it or something like that. Thanks for listening.

i've seen it a few times before on ebay, doesn't come up much

"try it again baby" is one of the best sweet soul records, which I'm sure if the "great" side you're talking about also

andre williams produced a bunch of carl's backbeat 45s, didn't he? The group on a few of them is the chicago group the vows.

never leave a negative until you're sure the entire process is over as it effectively kills any possibility of the seller willingly giving you your money back and will make them vindictive and try harder to keep any process from getting you your money