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This is from the bizarro slapstick blacksploitation movie "Darktown strutters". This actually has John Gary Williams in it, unlike the Come Closer to Me clip, where he was on military leave (his touring replacement is in that clip).

if it was pressed by columbia via their special products division it is not technically a bootleg

i think sherri is first

he said that they did take a picture but that they he it. he's trying to contact calvins family (Calvin passed in the '90s) for a photo. He does have a photo of some of the shadows.

Hi. Last Sunday on my radio show I interviewed Matthew Perkins, member of the Chicago groups the Twilites and the Shadows. Matthew was originally from Stockville, MS and started singing in a doowop group in the 7th grade called the Velvets. His group performed locally, even singing on the radio, and went to New Orleans to try to get a record deal. The group cut a demo but never got signed. After graduating from high school the group broke up. After school, Perkins moved to Chicago; Perkins moved to Altgeld Gardens, the housing on the southern border of the city. Perkins originally met up with members of the Gardens group the 4 Gents who had just broken up. Perkins wanted to get a group together specifically with the intention of recording. With a couple of members of the 4 Gents, Perkins found Calvin Barron (who also stayed on the South Side of Chicago, in Englewood); Barron had previously sung in the Moroccos and Sun Ra's jazz group the Cosmic Rays. Calvin had connections to Leonard Allen (of United Records) who introduced the group to the Leaner Brothers, who owned One-Derful! and M-Pac records. The group signed to M-Pac records after being together for only a few months and immediately recorded a few songs. M-Pac released one single on the group as the Twilites -- No Greater Thing Than Love / My Love. Despite having a nice sound, the record was not promoted or distributed and is extremely rare. Perkins thinks that the record may have even only been released after the group's second single got play in Chicago. Adding to the mystery of the group's M-Pac recordings is another recording on the official label discography as by a group called the Rainbows -- Come Rain, Come Shine / My Love. Perkins remembers "The Rainbows" as a name that Andre Williams came up with for the group and "Come Rain, Come Shine" as an answer record to the Shirelles' "Soldier Boy." However, the record has exactly the same catalog number as the Twilites record and it's not clear whether it was actually even released. Given the failure of the recordings and the fact that the group was only together for a short time specifically for the purpose of recording, the original lineup of the group disbanded. The members from the 4 Gents left the group and were replaced by other members from the Cosmic Rays and another member from the Sheppards. The new lineup of the group produced their own single "Bashful Boy" / "Moments like this" for a small independent record label Har-low records. The record was released under the name "Calvin and the Twilites". "Moments like this" became a local hit in Chicago due to DJ Bill Butterball Crane flipping the record over and playing it. The group did some local shows off the strength of the record but soon disbanded due to internal disputes. After the Twilites broke up, Perkins formed a new group called the Shadows with a couple of members who were affiliated with different lineups of the Twilites. Perkins also formed the Shadows specifically with the intention of recording a song he had written that he had been unable to record with the Twilites. Perkins produced a record by the Shadows -- "No other love" / "My love is gone". Leonard Allen (who had previously ran the United Record label) started the Golden Sound label to release the Shadows record. "No other love" got play in Chicago and even got picked up for national distribution by the USA record label. However, due to a conflict with another DJ who wanted to push the record on another label, the record did not get the promotion it needed and did not break nationally. The Shadows did shows locally and stayed together for a few years before disbanding in the early-to-mid 70s. In the late 70s Perkins got involved with managing and producing groups. Perkins initially managed and produced a self-contained band/group from Chicago/Peoria called the Force of Music. He recorded and released a record on the group on Chicago's Four Brothers record label (a nice ballad and anice uptempo track) but the record did not receive any airplay. In the early 80s Perkins formed his own record label, Piper records, releasing a Gospel LP and a blues record by an artist named Tony Reed, "Where you been baby", that received local radio play. You can check out my interview at the bottom of my interviews page at: https://www.sittingin...interviews.html thanks, Bob

well the same poster also remembers "leeds central" so I don't think so

I would try checking this website and if there is nothing there, email them: https://www.therabbitfactory.net/

listen to your heart and you'll know the true answer

I'm pretty sure this is Chicago and not Indiana. Pretty hard to find record, hard to find clean, I would say $100-$200 mint, but not well known.

frierson might be lenny frierson who recorded on starbound on cincinnatti

they are from cleveland and produced by carl maduri. George G was also asking earlier. I don't know if he did, but you could try contacting Carl about it via is website: https://herorecordsllc.com/contactUs.html. Let me know what you find out.

i don't have an opinion as to which is a better dance record, the counts might be a way better dance record, and as you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

there were actually two soul train shows running concurrently, the local chicago one and the nationally syndicated one that don cornelius took to LA (which is probably the one you are asking about). The local chicago one ran early afternoon as you state. I'm pretty sure the national one also initially ran in the early afternoon in the early 70s. there is a long history as to why episodes have been generally unavailable for viewing anywhere which has changed since don cornelius has recently sold the franchise. Read more about the history in this article: https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/soul-train-local/Content?oid=1106014

hmm.. i don't really know barbara's version, i have the enterprise CD, i have to go back and listen to it again, thanks for the tip.

ok, I'm bumping this if people haven't seen this because there's now 300 clips of of soul performances in the soul performances channel (only real footage, no audio clips or fan vids or anything like that!): https://www.changingscene.com/Soul%20and%20Funk%20Performances check it out if you haven't already, there's lots of ones you have seen and maybe weirdo ones you probably haven't and 450 clips in the sweet soul channel (lots of cool ones, some hardcore collectors participating): https://www.changingscene.com/Rare%20Sweet%20Soul anyone can sign up and submit clips or comment on existing clips. If you want me to create a new channel for you about some other topic I can, in a few weeks I'm going to open it up so anyone can create a channel themselves about anything. thanks, Bob

to my ears the counts is a weak beach record, much worse than roscoe, but roscoe's isn't amazing. i like elsie strong's version. obviously not as good as four tops though.

it won't work on a demo vs. the real version, it has to be exactly the same I think, like if you ran a fourier transform on it and compared. If you just covered the song and tried to do it exactly the same, for example, and ran it on the app, I don't think it would recognize it, it would have to be exactly the same. That's how youtube knows to auto-pull a song from a copyright holder automatically if you upload it but not a cover version for example.

i was probably the second bidder, i still need the title as a chicago record

i really like this song

just to add more crap to this thread, someone I know said they've seen Roscoe's atlantic 45 on Gerri, anyone have a listing for that? I just checked and Dave Rimmer also has it listed with ?? for the number: https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/rrobinson.htm he should also add the one from the auction above. I've seen another weird later Gerri 45 he did, it was like a Black label with blockier print, but maybe it was a different artist on his Gerri label? I swear it was him though but I'm not remembering. There's definitely a later Gerri record with blockier print though.

Check this out, totally raw, cool choreography and great harmony: Be my girl: Be my cinderella: In the raw: and of course their hit "Wide Shot":

i played it a few times when i was holding it, it sounded very Hi and the group was weak and came in just at the chorus, i have to listen to that ebay clip. it was sort of slow too.

the forevers are kitty and the haywoods (their original name)

I know someone who turned up a bunch of copies of this, but passed on most of them because most were pressed off center. he only bought the on-center copies. I didn't buy one because he wanted $300 apiece and it was too hi-sounding for me. John Anderson bought some off him, I think it would appeal more to deep soul collectors.

this is "that's enough", not "that's it". "that's enough" is a very common record in chicago, it was a big hit, find it in most collections.