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it's definitely unfair. even when the record came out, the artist got screwed and only made money off of shows, generally, even if it was a big hit. only the songwriter made some money, possibly. the producer was the person who made the money (again, if it was a hit). and these obscure records are ones that weren't hits where the producers lost money.

even with a CD, people are screwed. if the CD is not a bootleg (which unfortunately it is most of the time, especially coming out of the UK, when it's not on a label like Ace/Kent), the songwriter is actually much less screwed than the artist. The songwriter is entitled to a compulsory rate per song per CD pressed. The artist is not entitled to anything unless they can produce some sort of contract with the original producer saying how much they are owed and under what circumstances (which they never will be able to do, the original producer will always claim that they never made their money back etc.). New US laws about digital streaming and satellite play actually compensate master play and not songwriters (invert the relationship) so if artists sign up at soundexchange.com and their material actually gets a lot of play they actually get some money. to answer your actual question, though, people I talk to are usually amused / excited about the prices that their records go for. What's frustrating is that when people tell them that their records are getting "play in europe" (ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!!) when they're not and they ask me how they can get money from that and I have to explain that their records are not getting radio play overseas unfortunately. It is hard for people to differentiate between a little bit of nightclub play and a record changing hands for a lot of money and lots of radio play because we don't really have the concept of the first thing over here.

that is DJ ryan jackson, we both went to college together, worth checking out. For one year there was a deep soul show right before my show, it was done by eli "the paperboy" reed actually before he had his act.

i sent this thread to my friend who's compiling the new volume of soul harmony singles, apparently the prana people must have evolved out of the master four on tayster as the vocalists are almost exactly the same.

this is an awesome video, this thread should be moved to "all about the soul" I think.

those kent shrine CDs were from longer than 2 years ago and i don't think those master reels generated much interest. I think this is a more recent phenomenon than those CDs at least, I remember ray pollard always going for around $1000 back when those CDs were out, never that much.

thanks. "prana" must have meant something spiritual or something and I'm guessing that "kenny delt and prana" (who I think are from chicago) had no connection to the "prana people" and I made a false assumption. thanks for the info. google reveals "prana" to be some sanskrit / hindu thing like Qi relevant to yoga.

sorry, i was being a smartass. if i thought any record was worth $15,000 it wouldn't be a trashed copy of some random (albeit good) record.

it explicitly said it upfront in this auction, and the bidder could have adjusted their bid accordingly upfront. it's not like the seller did it after the fact.

thanks for clearing up that prana people thing (I played it off 45, not LP), I wasn't sure if it was chicago because there are two 45s by "kenny delt and prana" that look like Chicago productions and I thought was the same group? I think those are on Mercury. Are those not related to the Prana People 45 I played? Also, Black Ivory was long before that Prana People 45 I played, which was like '78, so I'm confused about what you're saying about the timeline. Thanks for listening and commenting, I'm trying to find out more about the prana people thing now though, maybe it would be more obvious if I collected Lps...

a large percentage of 60s male groups broke up or changed lineups because members got drafted to go to nam. listing them all would be like listing all the late 60s groups.

I still need the faces, it's exactly the same group as the new testament band. there is the al hunter on SOC, it's pretty good, first label before the other label that I'm blanking on... "don't bring me no early mornings". there is at least one more SOC thing I'm not thinking of.

hourglass is definitely the second release. the label owner was complaining to me about how he thought hourglass even pressed more copies and didn't pay him anything.

15 grand tops

hearing this was similar to hearing the original version of "betcha by golly wow" by connie stevens -- bizarre and not bad and totally unexpected, but not as good as the stylistics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytksbAHzP38

the original question wasn't about preserving the cultural heritage of the northern soul scene, nor was I commenting on the cuture of the northern soul scene, which I am not qualified to comment on.

Dave, it seems you always trying to flame me. You never have anything positive to say and are always out to get me, often to the point of being silly and irrational. You take snipes at me every chance you get. I post on a US site by the way -- soulfuldetroit. The two message boards I post on are here and soulfuldetroit. There are other US sites devoted to record collecting that are soul oriented (such as soul strut) that I don't post on. I would post on soul talk if there were any traffic. Soulfuldetroit is actually evidence I would present in this thread as it is filled with older music fans and collectors and musicians who continued to be involved with the music, independent of and oblivious of the northern scene. But I don't really want to get involved in this thread. By the way, I look at your site (soulfuldkindamusic) all the time, it's great. I'm also very sorry to hear of the passing of your wife, my condolences.

monetary value and the fetishization of plastic doesn't equate to cultural value. the fact that people didn't pay insane amounts for pieces of plastic doesn't mean they didn't value the music. even most of the records weren't worth that much in england until recently, now every obscure record is worth a bazillion dollars, it used to be that you could actually get interesting and good records for $5 or less.

i can't choose because the marvelows is my hometown and butch is my dude but earl lewis has an awesome voice also

As someone from "across the pond", I disagree, but also don't want to get involved in the discussion as I have before and it always turns into a flame war... just wanted to get this out there...

do you mean the Channels I got my eyes on you? The channels version came out first actually (I recently learned that).

i saw that when it was on ebay (which I guess you won) but stayed off because the seller said it was white

thanks for listening, I really appreciate it! the flips of those two acetates are actually northern records... (the lovelites was one-sided, the other ones had northern sides)

Hi. Today on my radio show my interview rescheduled so I did a music show. I did a special show where in addition to playing 45s, I did a special set at the end where I played all unreleased acetates, including an unreleased Patti and the Lovelites track as well as a set of Esquires demos. You can listen to the show at https://www.sittinginthepark.com/shows.htm . Playlist follows. Thanks for your interest. Constellations - I don't know about you - Gemini Star Contemplations - Alone with no love - Dontee Emory and the Dynamics - Let's take a look at our love - Peachtree Al Haskins - Wish you were my girl - Quest UST Topaze - Check it out - BCMK Southern Productions - Disco Dancing - Chanita Message Untold - I can feel the change in love - Padang Witch Doctor - All I know, I love you - WD Majestic Arrows - Magic of your love - Bandit Fragile: Handle With Care - Loving (Sweet Thing) - Exit Six Spectrum - If you change your mind - Ragdoll Johnny September and Princess Edward - The love I had is gone - K&K Frankie Davis and Marion James - Our Little Love Song - Ma Fra Da Movin' - Start all over again - Skyhigh Prana People - All around my world - WB Starfire - Almost Insane - Dynamic Artists Lovelites - Fall in love - Unreleased Acetate Unknown artist - I won't give my heart to you - Audiodisc Acetate Unknown artist - Sweet Temptation - Unmarked Acetate Esquires - Things gonna be alright - Demo acetate Esquires - You Say - Demo acetate Esquires - At the world's fair - Demo acetate thanks, Bob

i think the existence of another press with another flip is relevant to your question as it affects the rarity and value of the other press, also depending on how the flip of the quality press sounds.