my whole point, which I think you don't disagree with, is that "known copies" means "known" in the small circle of collectors that the person counting happens to know. in the last thread people were coming up with very specific numbers on records, some of which I had or knew other people that had (and weren't included in the count), it's an inane activity. a record can be very rare, you don't have to actually come up with a "known number of copies" to prove anything and that number will be meaningless. the fact that 200-500 were pressed, even though most were thrown out, means that more probably do exist than 2 or 3, it's still very rare.