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post it in this thread in refosoul, someone will identify it

I don't understand, was the stylus clogged with dirt before or after cleaning?

i love the make-you-go-blind label colors. byron woods, lead singer, is a great guy.

No it's from new jersey. I have no other info on it. The sweet flip is decent.

i played it on my radio show. very rare and unknown.

thanks for the contact Pete, Ray was very happy to do the interview.

Hi. Today on my radio show I interviewed Ray Caldwell, lead singer of Ray and Dave. Ray was originally from the South Side of Chicago, growing up around the Hyde Park neighborhood. Ray began learning music at an early age, initially playing a piano donated by his neighbor. Ray attended Dusable high school and, at the Dusable Hi Jinks talent show, met Jimmy Dobbins. Dobbins was performing with a group that had moved to Chicago with him from Mississippi. The group was performing acapella at the show; Ray joined up with the group as their pianist as songwriter. Ray met up with singer "Dave" while playing the piano at the back of his mother's beauty shop. Dobbins' group soon disbanded and the trio began doing shows together. The group was discovered at a show by Bob Lee, who soon became their manager. Lee took the group too Al Benson, who signed each of the trio to his Crash / Mica label. At the same session the group recorded 4 sides at the Chess studios, which were released on two singles. Jimmy Dobbins "Little Miss Perfect" / "What is Love" was released on the Crash label and got play in Chicago; "Little Miss Perfect" was a nice uptempo cut backed by Ray and Dave. Ray and Dave's "Wrong Wrong Wrong" / "Six Lonely Days" was released on the Mica label and became a local hit. The record had an excellent uptempo Chicago sound with 3-part harmony (which included Jimmy Dobbins). Although Ray sang lead on the track, he had to be persuaded to sing lead as he had previously was mainly the pianist for the trio. Ray was soon drafted and did not really get to hear the local Chicago play but even heard "Wrong Wrong Wrong" played on the Jukebox while he was stationed in Louisiana. When he finally came back to Chicago, Ray found that he was unable to receive royalties from the record from BMI as he was not correctly registered as the songwriter. Disillusioned with the music business, Ray left for California to be with his family. Jimmy Dobbins continued with music, cutting one more record for Chimneyville records in 1973. Jimmy apparently passed away in 1995, according to the comments in this blog: https://dereksdaily45.blogspot.com/2008/06/jimmy-dobbins-little-miss-perfect.html Ray has become involved with producing music again. You can listen to my interview at the bottom of my interviews page at: https://www.sittinginthepark.com/interviews.html I also did a Chilites tribute show in memory of Robert Earl Lester ("Squirrel"), who passed away last week. You can listen to that show at the bottom of my shows page at https://www.sittinginthepark.com/shows.htm . playlist follows. Thanks for your interest. Hilites - You did that to me - Daran Marshall and the Chilites - Pretty girl - Daran Chilites - I'm so jealous - Daran Chilites - My baby loves me - Revue Chilites - Love me - Revue Chilites - She's mine - Blue Rock Chilites - Give it away - Brunswick Chilites - I like your loving - Brunswick Chilites - Are you my woman? - Brunswick Chilites - Being in love - Brunswick Chilites - Living in the footsteps of another man - Brunswick thanks, Bob

I think manship auctioned one recently?

naturals is the b-side to "let love be true", gets played on the radio every week here in chicago.

it's been on ebay a bunch of times, at least a couple of which were adey pierce

i hate when assholes on here give links to live ebay auctions, screw you gasher, there goes my bargain!!!!!

one final point -- Joe's bootlegs look pretty obviously like recent presses -- e.g. the toby bullard. It would be hard for you to convince me that he could make a record that looked like and had vinyl similar to the lost family vinyl, it would likely have the 80s style vinyl. Why don't you post the emails where he let it slip that he bootlegged it (or was it over the phone)?

that's ridiculous, I used to have 2 25 count boxes of this, this was an ultra common record in chicago, why would I end up with a bootleg I bought off Joe in las vegas? This record was super common (which is another reason no one would ever boot it). I don't know if stormy ever even ran out of originals. Now you're accusing me of making up a story to legitimize me having a bootleg. Nice.

the saborian LPs look new because they were never distributed. Stormy (RIP) and his ex-wife have boxes of them still sealed in shrink and they look just like that. They were selling them to joe for $7 apiece. You are just spreading lies now. You did hit a nerve because I hate when people go on the internet and make up straight up lies based on random speculation (in this case, a different color label, like there aren't a million cases of original presses with slight label variations). I have no loyalty to a known bootlegger in las vegas who has ripped lots of people off. And I have been wrong about things and I admit it when I am wrong, apparently unlike you.

it's not. in derek pearson's magazine article (he didn't write the text though) they even talk about how one of the members sold his copy of "you don't even know my name" to some Brit. the flip of "bigger and better" is an awesome sweet soul cut that is very deep ish, called "I've got my baby" btw.

oh yeah, i have found both label variations in chicago at least 10 years ago btw, was it booted then?

no it's not, who bootlegged it? If you're saying it's bootlegged because a certain seller in vegas is selling it, I know exactly where he got the records from, he got them from Stormy, a group member, Stormy specifically told me about dealing with him, that's also where he got the Saborian and the Los LPs he sells. The record was pressed more than once, it was a local hit, the fact that there are label variations doesn't mean that one's a boot. If you have more information than speculation based on a label variation, please post it, otherwise your post is 100% unfair speculation.

ebay being pursued by large expensive clothing companies is much different than being pursued by relatively small reissue labels and the defunct labels they are reissuing. also, i don't think people would like the repercussions of a crackdown either, for example, it would probably err on the side of cracking down on legitimate items somehow.

my friend said the same thing but the article in shades of soul confirmed they were the same group

i think "you gave me love" is nice early soul, played it on my radio show recently.

there are no repros

i sort of figured that out, but I still have no idea what the record in question is.

that's awesome i gotta watch that again and look for that

on the first press of the sparks record on MSR (pre-Cub) it says (as seen in the film "...", I forget the name of the film), implying that the group performs in the film. The sparks was Patrick Adams first group. I would have loved to see patrick adams perform in the group but the film isn't available on DVD. I haven't checked recently on iOffer, though, there is a ton of stuff available on bootleg there, I will try to check tonight.

lots of blacksploitation films have artist appearances. For example, the mack has the sisters love and the ballads performing in a nightclub. i posted some insane footage of john gary williams singing with the newcomers and the dramatics singing in a dungeon (there is another scene of the soul children singing in a nightclub) from an obscure slapstick movie called "darkown strutters". Also, not what you are looking for (as you clarified below) but lots of artists became actors and were actually in films.