Robb, I think the HBR / Liberty four gents are from Flint and are NOT the same group as on Encore. There used to be a webpage for the HBR group that gave group membership also (can't find it now but I do find another page talking about Frank from Flint): Frank Randall, Sherwood Pea, George Early, Ronald Cooley. There are also no common names between the Encore records and HBR / Liberty records. Do you have any evidence that they are the same group besides both being from Michigan? Thanks.