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this is actually a huge track in chicago because it's a "steppers" track here. but overall not as well known.

most of the dramatics records are incredible

this was their biggest hit here in the US, everyone knows this song. there is an incredible performance (it's lip synched but still incredible) in the low budget movie "Darktown Strutters".

Tommy, I'm sure you know that one of the most important uses of the term came during the detroit riots when people put "Soul Brother" signs on their businesses to try to prevent them from being burned down.

hi naoya, thanks for your info. i would be pretty surprised if there were two young divines on this label, are you sure you're not thinking of the note label? thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

Thanks a lot for the info! As far as I know, the only release that actually got picked up was the Young Divines, as Dees' re-recording of the record didn't have much to do with his recording of the earlier version. I didn't notice it before but I just googled and see that Sir Shambling's page mentions the Joanne Murray having been done by Eddie Bradford at Chess.

Does anyone know the story behind New London International records? The first number on the label (which has the same logo so it's related to the other ones at least) has a hollywood address and is produced by a Randy Richards but is written by Terry Woodford and George Soule. Even if they had offices in Cali, were all the recordings done in Muscle Shoals? What is the missing number below? Are there any other missing releases? New London International Records 1001 - Joanne Murray - You made your bed / Goodbye again 1002? New London International Records 1003 - Sam Dees - In my world / long New London International Records 1004 - Young Divines - I'll show you with love / Deep in your heart

it is where I live too, but I also live in this crazy world of soul collectors where kids in their early 20s who are not rich are splashing out 4 figures on a 7" piece of vinyl because other people get them excited about it. it's all relative. you know how many TVs and Playstations people could be buying instead of single records they buy on here?

one thing that's frustrating is the various levels of skill in their phone support. sometimes you get a dumbass who just tells you wrong information, sometimes you get someone who knows what they're talking about.

i don't see the big deal in universal love going for 200 pounds versus 100 pounds. someone who can afford it dropping an extra 100 pounds to get a record is not that big of a deal. it's not like a 4 figure record going to 5x it's normal value or something.

I agree with Robb in the sense that you can probably find some super early use but again what's important is its use as a mainstream term by the population to describe the correct style of music. Mid-60s sounds right.

i don't care enough to get involved in the nuances of this discussion, but one very specific point is that if you're selling trying to sell a single cheap record (say on ebay), the postage costs come into play as they are often more than the cost of the record. it's easier to sell them in real life. also, quality rises to the top. i'm having the most trouble selling records that are decent but not great, in all price ranges.

it's actually pretty hard to trace the etymology, you can find very early uses of the phrase "soul music" but the real question is when the phrase became a mainstream term used to describe a genre. I think you need to find something very mainstream examples that were big to show that it was actually being used -- e.g. Arthur Conley's "Sweet soul music" and Johnny Taylor "Wanted: One soul singer" and Dyke and the Blazers "We got more soul". So I would put the mainstream use of the term to describe music as a genre around '66-'67.

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ok final post on this, I see there was not a release of crystal clear with "just a little smile", it was a comment someone posted saying that was the flip of their copy. that is the only reference on the entire internet to this, so it has to be a mistake. thanks everyone for the space and thanks again simon.

does nobody have the stock copy of the first crystal clear single to compare to the vaneese and carolyn version of "just a little smile"? this really would help me out a lot to know whether they are the same recording or not. also thanks again simon for your help.

Can anyone tell me if Crystal Clear "Just a little smile" is an identical recording to the Vaneese and Carolyn single on Polydor? Thanks again for everyone's help.

Thanks, I already have all the pics on the polydor 45s. I have never heard the pretty pearl 45 before, it sounds like a different group, at least it has a male lead and backing vocal with one woman singing. Do you know if the pretty pearl record came out on a 7"? thanks.

thanks so much! Does anyone have any info on the Pretty Pearl record? Did it come out on a 7" and is it a female group? Any audio online? Thanks again!

Kris is like the nicest guy and I can't imagine having beef with anyone. Kris, I have no idea why anyone would attack you, I'm guessing they were confused or somehow misreading whatever you wrote from some sort of distorted personal context of their own "scene" or incorrect perspective. Even though he has different tastes than mine I can vouch for Kris as being an open minded and totally nice guy. Even if someone thinks I'm a dick (which I'm sure some people do) I don't see how someone would send a nasty email to you Kris.

A little more info: producer Doug King seemed to like producing female groups around that, he produced Direct Current and Vaneese and Carolyn and Marlene Delaney on Polydor. I doubt that any of these acts were related to Crystal Clear as there is the name "Pearl Scott" as one of the writers on the Crystal Clear 45. He did do some of his recording in the NY/NJ area. So I still would like to know a) what is that album playing in the first youtube clip? it's not a whole crystal clear LP that was unearthed was it? and b) does anyone have link to audo (youtube or whereever) of the Crystal Clear on Pretty Pearl? And did it come out on a 7" thanks again, Bob

Can anyone tell me what LP this is that is playing in this youtube video that has the Crystal Clear track? Did someone unearth a whole unreleased album and release it or is it just a comp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOetwNzhyNg Does anyone have any info on the group? Aside from being produced by Philly people, I can't find any info. This page claims they have 4 singles and aren't a female group: https://souldennis.blogspot.com/2010/02/crystal-clear-oomph-in-my-life-1980.html however, the group on "A Major label" *clearly* isn't the same group, there's one guy singing, no common names, it's clearly not a philly record (looks like a nola pressed record, etc): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kouYRGaV8hM I don't know anything about the Pretty Pearl record but it's a new york label and came out on a 12", here is a pic: https://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2035519 Did this come out on a 7" as claimed on the "rarephillysax" page? I don't see any common names across the three groups and am guessing that they are unrelated. Does anyone have any info on the Polydor group? This facebook page say "A buddy turner project": https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=110168665711752&story_fbid=299233780145200 One of the singles was produced by Doug King and Buddy Turner and another was produced by Doug King and Morris Bailey. I'm guessing this is him: https://articles.philly.com/1995-10-17/news/25694115_1_classical-music-klaus-heymann-naxos I have the second polydor 45 and it has mike curb's production logo on it, maybe he was some sort of executive producer. I can't find out anything about the group though.

lots of times colored vinyl was actually done by pressing plant employees. Tefteller had this score where he went to the house of some dude who worked at a pressing plant and he had a completely unique collection of multicolor splattered vinyl of rare records. Tefteller at least had a website with them pictured, don't know if it's still up. even when it wasn't a rogue employee, it seems like certain plants tended to do them. there might have been something like the plant owner asking the label owner if they wanted to press a few up on colored vinyl as some sort of promotion.

that's cool, getting offended over anything on a message board is silly. peace.