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Another term for these tracks is "the a-side"

I actually was thinking bette midler but when the gospelly chorus came in i think it sounded earlier. You know bette midler wrote some soul songs? Well, at least one song if not more, she wrote a moments song from like '78, a decent cut too.

oh now i'm not sure i have it (I think i do). either way i will check. this is my prayer is great deep soul. i rarely like deep soul but that cut is really nice.

yeah, probably. I think it sounds like something very specific but I can't think of it and I don't know much about classic rock anyways.

i have the lady margo on both versions (just the label is orange and it has a V), I am supposed to scan some records today so will try to get it to you.

any way you can turn on the download option (unless it's there and I missed it) so I can listen in my car? Thanks in advance.

most of the material is quality. In chicago "baby please come back home" and "real humdinger" got radio play. "lonely no more" is a nice cut no one has mentioned yet.

I still can't believe no one has bought this -- holy grail ultra-rarity. Took me 10 years to even see a copy and it was never on ebay until one showed up last year and a VG one showed up this year. This is obviously not a sweet soul forum though.

joyce hopson and geraldine latham are great records (esp the hopson, love the "this time" side, I don't even think I've ever played the "I surrender" side). I can't believe nobody's bought them yet for 5 pounds, even if one is beat up.

interesting info, thanks.

Mine's ok too, but it's very clean. My only point is that some records are rare, but do show up in worse condition so they are available. This one is only usable if it's clean. Sorry to not be clear, I wasn't trying to say that all copies are unusable.

I wonder what specific genre you would call this type of music (not soul) and what similar artists are in that genre? I hate janis joplin but maybe it would have a similar audience?

the doris troy record I was thinking of is "tomorrow is just another day". It's from 1963. If you listen to it there's no question it was recorded multitrack, the whole "group" is her vocals.

Hi Dave. I'm not totally following this thread-within-a-thread about multitracking, but I do know of examples before 1966 of soul records being recorded on multitrack tape. Specifically, Jan Bradley's "mama didn't lie" was recorded on multitrack. It came out in 1962. Chess didn't have a multitrack setup but she said they recorded it in some studio in Missouri. Here vocals are doubled on the track, which wouldn't have been possible on a single track. There is also a Doris Troy 45 on atlantic that has a similar thing, can't remember which one right now but can pull out the records to check if it's important. Thanks.

adey has had a lot of weird records (esp chicago records) that he sold for pretty cheap. one of the sides of the 45 has henry ford singing lead backed by the triplett twins

wow, you got the triplett twins, never seen another copy than the trashed one they gave me. my copy is a white label.

can you just line the audio up on a computer multitrack program like protools and compare? I've done that with stuff to determine exactly what's different.

I have most of these but already owe a bunch of people other scans, will try to do at least some though if I have time. what's the deal with the "perails"? I've never heard of it, is it a group record?

Some cali dude can correct me on the history of this. DJ Art Laboe coined the term "oldies" and put out the first oldies comps on his original sound label. These were pretty common, standard songs that became a part of the culture. I think the original series of slightly rarer soul was the series "East Side Story", which actually came out on LPs. Here is a box set of all the albums: https://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/3492840/a/East+Side+Story,+Vol.+1+-+12.htm As you can see, the tracks aren't very rare. Then there was also a series (which I know wasn't totally licensed but supposedly semi-legit) that came out maybe 15 years ago (?) on a label called ITP called "Underground oldies". It did have some rarer 45s (I remember hearing the royal chessmen "begging you" the first time off these CDs, at the time I never understood how I managed to collect everything else so quickly but not the royal chessmen -- I do have a mint copy now though ). The company also licensed dore and renfro titles and put out out comps of these labels as well as including tracks from these labels on some of their CDs. They also put out material (which was mostly cover songs) by the LA Hispanic group "Sly, Slick, and Wicked" (the group that had 45s on Bad Boys). The first set of rare, collector oriented comps (which were straight bootlegs) was called Lost Soul Oldies. These comps had lots of truly rare 45s and contributed a lot to collector oriented culture. It really got people into digging for records. They got distributed and even inspired collectors in other cities (I knew a bunch of chicago dudes that bought the whole series off the guys who put it out)... I have at least 5 titles in the series. They released a lot of titles. Now there are a bazillion bootleg CD series that are out and it is part of the culture. There are clearly more fans than collectors so I'm guessing any of these CDs sells a lot of copies in California. Collectors are looking for rarer and rarer records trying to get stuff no one else has or knows about. Now a lot of stuff that's on the lost soul oldies seems basic and common because people are digging deeper and deeper. I guess at that point it's similar to the northern scene. It's a very collector oriented culture as people try to outdo each other with records and play their tracks on youtube, etc. I think to get more of a history on the association with car shows, etc. you could look at Ruben Molina's book about lowrider music. But my point is that there is a collector culture independent of car shows, I think people are starting to do rare soul shows and obviously there are collectors in other cities. I think there's also some association with the same played out oldies and the car shows whereas younger collectors are looking for "rare" records. It would be good if someone posted correcting any of this if it's not accurate.

Yeah, the group definitely was from Albion (Johnny McCall of the Magnetics was also originally from there...). It contributes to the problem of nobody knowing about them. J Washington might have stayed in ohio since he put out his own record on his own ohio-based label.

I looked through a large amount of a closed record store stock in the Chicago suburbs (which was already picked over a bunch of times by Ady Pierce) and the dude had lots of copies of all mccrae columbia titles, promo and stock. I bought at least one copy for myself of every one, but I think I might have bought a few more. I would have to go through like 25 record boxes to find it though (because anything you're ever looking for is always in the last box you look).

I was just joking in my posts btw if anyone thinks I was really angry or anything ... the internet doesn't always come through clearly. I did get second chanced the record though.

yes, sorry if I wasn't clear. The new music people I interview make tends to be in three categories: 1) gospel (most common) 2) modern soul / jazz CD that contains at least a few nice cuts or 3) terrible. I was talking about how to get people i the modern soul scene to hear the good music. thanks.

I totally agree with sweet and deep being two very different things. There's some overlap but not much. That's why it's annoying for people to just say "deep soul" on sweet records. You have the reverse problem of having to confirm that it's actually deep soul. Yes, I guess I mean the "low rider" scene but it's also annoying when people advertise sweet soul as "low rider" because there are so many other collectors not in cali and even in cali I'm not sure how much the new soul collectors are associated with car shows. I never use the phrase to describe the music I listen to.

I actually registered with EMS once but I never really did anything. Will check it out again. Everyone is on CDBaby. The problem is there's a huge amount of material, do modern soul dudes actually wade through it all to dig up material? Otherwise it's not much different than the artist just selling it (although it does give a more convenient way for people to buy stuff).