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other side of it is "you need to be loved on". I never noticed a 'metallic' sound on the numero record so i probably wouldn't notice it on this, but i will try to a/b it. thanks.

I'm looking for this one or the other hard one for closer to 50 pounds. Nev is the guy who paid $170 so you know that's just the chump price .

you should provide a link because i can't find it via searching

you have some nice records to trade ... but I did laugh at the 13/14th millimeter crack. I like how you didn't want to round up.

I think Chicago may have been different than your Ohio experience. The gritty "macho" vocals on a lot of horn rock groups often sound like a White singer is trying to emulate the sound of a soul singer. I always thought Chicago was like the mecca of horn rock just because most of the bands were horn rock bands, e.g., compared to garage, hard rock, etc. I always thought it was because Chicago was such a soul-oriented city. Also a lot of Black singers from soul groups joined horn rock groups in the 70s -- e.g. the World Column. They also seemed to be more pop-oriented than the Ohio groups you're describing, or even into harder rock, but not avant garde at all. Either way, I don't know much more about the subject beyond what I've said already.

I agree with Kris. In Chicago like 90% of the rock bands were horn rock groups. I think they were trying to emulate the soul sounds of the city. Are you talking about something else than the chicago bands like Chicago, the Mob, etc.?

I agree, it's not a box of bootlegs, it's a decent collection of mainstream soul music, an instant collection for someone. I remember when I was just starting on ebay, I would go nuts over lots with some cool local records in them (not exactly like this one) and would always get into a bidding war. That's what happened here, if you look at the bid history there was a bidding war knocking the price up from $150.

The donays "devil in his heart" was covered by the beatles (the donays were the 5th beatle).

My friend and I had the master tape transferred of this 45 and it's actually pressed a little too fast. I think it actually makes the "betcha" side better being faster, but the sweet side sounds way better slowed down.

I don't think people are doing speed. The people dancing are also mostly hipsters. It's definitely not like a rave culture. Lots of them smoke weed I guess but that doesn't make them dance more and they can't really do it inside the venue. The windy city soul club always sell out their events and there's a line out the door. Here is a pic of their new years eve party: I've seen similar pics of soul clubs in other US cities like Milwaukee, Minneapolis, etc.

some nice records, especially in the last cheapest category. surprised they haven't all gone.

I like the other side of this record better though ("that ain't no reason"). This group released a LOT of records and only a few are weak. They were so great. One of my favorite "chicago" records of all time is Girls in the City. That record is so good and so chicago 1970 sounding. Here it is if you don't know it:

Actually someone who runs a night in Milwaukee told me that they figured out that they should play sweet soul at the end of the night (this is not an all-nighter obviously). He told me that all the people who wanted to hook up earlier started making out, etc. Obviously also people are tired from dancing all night. Sounds awesome.

Yeah, I just don't see what there is to argue and discuss. If there are some people who don't want to hear new sounds or styles, you aren't going to convince them. Making fun of or scolding them doesn't accomplish anything. Live and let live. I recently DJ'ed some event that was a "soul train reunion" (Karen Heath and Victor showed up as they were in Chicago at that time). I knew that the people wanted to hear hits. But I tried to slip in some local records that were local hits at the time but which Herb Kent doesn't play. Every time I did that the dance floor cleared out except for a few people who were probably more hardcore. It was fun to see everyone dancing to the hits. But obviously this is not the type of event I would want to regularly DJ at. But some DJs who (often who are more ego-driven that music driven) DJ like this all the time. The most open scene in Chicago to new records is the "steppers" scene, although they have their canon of classic records too (e.g. Jeff Perry "love's gonna last") but are open to new records if they have the right sound.

I do think that younger people would mix with older people at "rare soul" events if the music is exciting to them. Honestly, one big part of this is that the traditional canon of oldies (the 60s ones with a pounding rhythm and not many changeups) don't really appeal to the ears of younger people (for example, people like me who grew up with hiphop). But newer, more exciting sounds, and the funk / northern crossover, etc. do. Some US events even play sweet soul at the start.

OK, this is one of the main things I'm getting at. Jumpinjoan said "why would you want to hear the same songs over and over again." Honestly, this same phenomenon happens with most people and music. For example, in the US at least, there are radio stations that cater to every generation and play the same songs over and over again (for example, an 80s station). Similarly, Herb Kent (legendary Chicago Dusties DJ) is on the radio every Sunday in Chicago. People love listening to his show. He plays good music. But he plays pretty much the same songs every week. I do have a lot of local listeners but the type of listener who listens to my show are of the minority of people who want to dig deeper and hear new tracks that have the same sound. But there are just some people who want to hear the people's choice "do it any way you wanna" over and over again. Playing my show to them isn't going to convert them. They don't even want to hear songs that were minor local hits when they were young but that don't get played anymore. People here keep saying that the explosion of local nights or the oldies only events or the playing of boots, CDs, and not original vinyl are destroying the scene. But my point is that it seems those things are only a reflection of the group of people that want to hear music that they are familiar with and remind them of their youth. Those people don't want to go to a new venue and hear some new progressive sounds, despite how much people lecture them that they should. What I'm saying is that it really doesn't seem that the scene is dying because of the explosion of local nights, CDs, etc. as these are the people who don't want to hear new sounds anyways. They wouldn't go to a more progressive northern event if they didn't have their local night, they would stay home or do something else like watch a movie. That's why I don't understand all the complaining about events, etc. This is a totally separate issue than whether the more progressive events should allow OVO or if there are two many of those more progressive events happening at once. I just think that the people who want to reminisce on their youth should be allowed to do so, as they aren't the people killing the scene and they aren't interested in new music, they're just a whole different kind of person who views music differently. The way to keep the scene alive is to get new blood into it, often younger people who don't have some ingrained canon of oldies that they only want to hear. Or even have more events that crossover with other local scenes (e.g. funk, etc.). This type of thing is actually happening in the US and Europe. And it even seems that funk / northern are converging. People should embrace the type of change that keeps their scene alive, rather than trying to lecture the people who don't care.

this is like a whole different topic though. i hate janis joplin so much, one of the reasons is that none of her fans who like piece of my heart have heard of erma franklin.

now that i connected my scanner to scan those other things i will try to do some of these today

I think there's one in the interview, if not PM me. Surprised nobody plays it actually, it is a pretty good northern record.

someone told me that they somehow saw a bunch more photos from the same session. It would be amazing to see all of them. Plus some of the moments photo sessions.

I think I was trying to say what Dave said above -- that certain people want to go to their local event and drink and hear the same oldies and other types of people want to travel to go to more progressive events, and it's like two separate scenes.

ok, if this is true, why all the rhetoric about OVO? It's specifically for the "special" or bigger nights, right? not for these small local nostalgia / drinking things?

I couldn't look at your link, it says to log onto "windows live" when I click on it. Either way, I believe you at this point.

Ok I have a follow up question which I've been thinking about which is more controversial. If the people who attend these events want to just travel locally to drink and relive their past by only hearing "oldies", whether off of boots, CD, or whatever, why do you care and want to stop them? They're the type of person that isn't going to travel anyways (they probably go because of convenience) and they also aren't interested in the "rare soul" scene. So they aren't really taking anything away from the more progressive scene, are they? Like when there's 100 events every weekend, it's not truly 100 events to choose from, as a large percentage of the events are just crusty oldies nights at small bars -- there is a much smaller number of "real" events, right? is this totally wrong? I'm not trying to get into any discussion about whether progressive venues should only play vinyl or not, just talking about these small local oldies nights.

Thanks a lot. I do think Numero invests a lot of time trying to document the history, probably more than any other label. They contact whoever they can and do a lot of interviews for each release. It's very difficult to get everything correct as new info always comes out. thanks.