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Based on your photos, it seems that their real group name was the "Twans" and that northern collectors made up some story about their name being misspelled and the record being withdrawn in order to hype up the rarity or value of the record. Thanks for posting.

pretty much

yes, better than the northern side imo. did anyone mention the seventh avenue aviators yet? killer

yeah, the ballad side is doowoppy and I think what you're saying about it being a doowop repro is true

Here is a Lew Kirton interview: https://othersounds.com/archives/322 Thanks to Dante C for sending this to me btw.

Here is a really cool Jo Armstead interview: https://othersounds.com/ there are a bunch of other ones on the site

I really enjoy your specific, knowledgeable posts and the depth of your collection.

I've found on here specifically, cracked records don't seem to be devalued that much if they play fine. There was this hilarious ebay auction a few months ago where this dude was trying to sell a copy of the Sparkels on Old Town that had a cigarette burn 3/4 through, he said he was selling it so you could listen to 3/4 of the record fine. Also, the start bid was high, like at least $50 (I think even higher). He ran the auction a few times with no bids.

He has two 45s on Lucky, one on Janus, and a late 70s one that I forget the label for. Doc Oliver is deceased and I asked everyone who was connected to him if they knew the Embracers, one guy remembered them but could give me no info. I recently figured out that he's somehow related to Fran Oliver (as he produced to her recordings), maybe if I find her she might have some info. Probably not though.

I'm impressed that Paul knew exactly who you were talking about and his history!

I agree, bootleg used to mean an authorized release of a live band recording and "pirated copy" was used to describe counterfeited copies of music. However, now people use "bootleg" to mean an unlicensed / unauthorized pressing of a recording. In of itself, I think "repressing" isn't a specific enough word to describe a product as it doesn't indicate whether it is a legitimate repressing or a reissue, or a counterfeit pressing of the record. Thanks.

Rich: while I do not want to engage you in an argument, I just want to encourage you to read the single sentence I wrote in this thread and find the place where I said or even implied negative things about record collecting. Furthermore, I encourage you to take a look at the threads that I do participate in on this message board to try and gauge my attitude as to whether I would think that record collecting is bad. Thank you, Bob

I think it's just a custom acetate a northern DJ pressed to play the songs

were they called "second pressings" or just "pressings"? either way, I was just being a smartass.

yeah, people come up with euphemisms that sound nicer because they can't deal with the reality of their records... in this case reissue is also a nicer word for bootleg

I know a lot of people who would like to have the record but not a lot of people with $600 lying around that would like the record. I actually had two copies, I bought it off ebay from the person who turned out to be the producer and it ended up being cracked as it wasn't packed in cardboard, then I sent it back for a refund. He said he didn't immediately know of another copy. He recently listed it again and I got it, well packed, and am happy about it. Anyways, the reason I'm writing this is because he definitely doesn't have stock, they were random stray copies that were like VG at best. So it's pretty rare and I don't think any flood of copies is going to turn up. Here is the group's website: https://www.sevillemusic.com/

falling in like is awesome sweet soul

I just said this on another thread, but I think all the ego-inflating talk about value, known copies, etc. is stupid (and usually wrong) and definitely takes the focus away from the music.

When I was in junior high school (7th-8th grade) one day kids started coming in with these shirts that changed color based on heat. So if you put your hand on them there was a handprint, and it would (unflatteringly) highlight your sweaty areas, etc. The shirts were called Generra Hypercolor (Generra was the brand name). Every time I see this thread title I think of those stupid shirts.

I don't think people are crazy, they just aren't as informed (or obsessive) about collecting and don't look at ebay every day. A lot of them only look for items from specific sellers. This seller definitely has a following and some people probably got into a bidding war over it. They had probably never seen the record before and wouldn't have thought to search for it. They're not like in the inner sanctum of collectors that can get a copy of some random record for super cheap. I've been meaning to say something about the bashing of people that buy bootlegs for money, but don't want to get into that now.

As an obsessive record collector, I'm always torn about writing on the label, even if it's by the artist or of some other person connected to the record. I have some interesting ones with some super-personal inscriptions on them, but for some of those I also bought a double with a clean label... They should have an episode of that OCD show on A&E about record collectors.

The records I'm talking about are like one big moldy sandwich of stuck together singles. If you peel them apart you'll get like no label and the record will be trashed independent of that. I must have something like that lying around, although I mostly throw stuff like that away so i'm not sure.

I hate web pages that brag about a super high price of a record, it just creates greedy sellers who google some record they found and makes them think that their trashed copy that nobody is going to get into a bidding war over is worth a bazillion dollars. This actually specifically relates to the Twans because some dude had posted it not even in soul and then he started getting a lot of questions about it (including ones from some people who had no intent to buy and just spouted off random figures about known copies and value and rarity). So the guy got super excited and put a fake signpost featured auction to point to the Twans auction (since he couldn't change the category), it had lots of babbling about how rare the record was based on the messages he got. Then after he got money for the Twans he got all gassed up thinking every record he had was worth a bazillion dollars. He specifically found that page on soulfulkindamusic about the rarest records. Then it was pretty funny, he saw that appointments on delite, and must have thought "I have a record on delite!" and listed Yvonne Daniels on Delite with some long stupid text about how the appointments was so rare and also on Delite and then this must also be worth a lot. I don't even think he got his money back for doing a featured auction. One of the worst parts about northern soul records is that it induces so much greed in people.

Well at least it's relatively common compared to the other releases. But yeah, I don't see it every day. I only have the two tight releases I mentioned and the Ghetto release (although I'm still not sure that is the same group). I need the one nev got and the other rare tight release.