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I think manually rotating it is best probably

One thing I like to do is count the number of grooves in each record

well when squeezing the glue on, it stays in lines where you put it. The spillover and movement comes from the spreading process. I agree that doing it at 33 or even manually might be a better idea when you're spreading the glue. Actually that definitely would be better, as there are always thin spots and as it's spinning I try to hit the thin spots with more glue and it's difficult since it's spinning fast. If I were rotating it manually at that point, I could also put the glue exactly where it was needed.

yeah, like I was saying, it's not clear to me how records reach this section, does anyone know? Also, I thought the records under 100 were part of a section called "bubbling under" -- did they give this section that name later?

ok, so now I'm done with the exciting second glue application. I put down two pieces of 8x10 paper perpendicular to each other on the turntable (covering up pretty much the whole mat), put the adapter on top of them, and put the mighty ryeders record on top. I started the turntable rotating at 45, started applying the glue up and down the grooves. First it was going pretty smooth, I didn't get any near the inner deadwax or spilling over the edge. I then put the toothbrush down on the grooves. It made lots of little lines in the grooves and it became clear that I couldn't leave it it like that because the glue wouldn't be one contiguous sheet. I started applying more glue and moving the brush up and down at the same time and it wasn't making a sheet of glue ... I was sort of panicking, and then I got glue in the inner grooves and onto the label. At that point I stopped the turntable and cleaned off the label and the deadwax with a cloth. I turned on the turntable again and sort of repeated the process (and some spillover was starting to happen) and it became clear that I needed all the glue to connect, so I stopped using the toothbrush. I got the credit card out (actually it was a debit card, don't know if that makes a difference) poured more glue on the record, and started to smooth it out with the card. I eventually got the record coated in glue. There was a little bit of spillover off the edges onto the paper. The paper gave me the advantage of being able to remove the record from the turntable to somewhere else. I then removed the record off the paper and put it on another piece of paper. It stuck to the paper because of the spillover (I noticed glue fingerprints at the bottom from my handling of the record). I put it on another piece of paper trying to get more glue off the bottom. After I got as much off as I could, I moved the record to a microfiber cloth to dry (because I don't want it to dry with paper stuck to it -- it should be easier to remove the cloth later in one piece than a bunch of paper glued onto the record). The second record glueing went much more smoothly. I made an initial recording of the record, which was after I already had cleaned it with my regular cleaning method which usually gets records looking and playing very clean. The record just looked slightly scuffy and it wasn't clear what all the noise was coming from. I put down paper onto the plastic mat, then put the adapter and record on it. I turned on the turntable and applied glue up and down the record so it covered most of it. I then spread the glue across the record with the card so it was in one sheet. Then I turned off the turntable and manually used the brush to scrub the glue into the grooves, rotating the platter manually until I was satisfied that I got the whole thing and all grooves. At that point there were a bunch of thin, unconnected lines on the 45. I turned it back on, poured more glue on it, and used the card again to turn the glue into one sheet. I managed to avoid both spillover and glue near the deadwax. I turned the turntable off and picked up the paper off the turntable with the record. I transferred the record to another piece of paper to soak up any spillover (I don't think there was any). I then transferred it to a cloth to dry overnight. Here are the records drying (I tried to color coordinate the cloths and labels as best I could): I will report back after the glue dries and I peel it off (I will save the peeled off glue and take a photo of it). For the mighty ryeders it looks like I will have to clean off glue from the other side again which is annoying. When handling the record, I guess you have to be very careful to only use your fingernails and only touch the edge of the record so you don't get glue fingerprints on the bottom, unglued side. In the morning after it dries, I will peel off and clean off any glue and make recordings to see what happened. I'm hopeful that the new record will sound much better (if not both -- the ryeders 45 probably will not play better because the noise is probably due to scratches and the low volume of the record).

definitely the velgo group as one of the member's sons has commented a youtube video of the velgo record

you have to click on "ephemera" once you get to "museum". there were a few groups called "two plus two". I guess this is probably the velgo group but it says "on loan to the museum by Neil Rushton". Maybe Neil can fill in more info about the group. Also, I wonder what the "two plus two" comes from. I know it wasn't two sets of brothers because there are three last names on the picture that are different. Were there two singers and two bandmembers? It definitely has more than two instruments on it.

Also, try not to get excited everyone, but just today I got a record that just looks a little scuffy and which I used my regular cleaning on it and it still plays noisy. And the record is not 5 minutes long or pressed at a low volume. So now I have a test record where all the noise probably isn't caused by scratches. If I manage to glue (with a toothbrush) the mighty ryeders 45 without spillover I will also do this one. This is so exciting!

i challenge anyone here to a record clean-off

now it's pretty clear I need to repeat the glue process with at least 6 types of toothbrushes to see if the brush makes a difference

ok, here are the lastest results of my obsession with cleaning this 45. The wave files are ordered in the order of cleaning. Basically the two ultrasonic cleanings I did did nothing. It looks like the initial glue application reduced the crackle and one new thing I did reduced crackle some more. Tonight I am going to try applying the same glue with a toothbrush and see if I can get it cleaner and avoid spillover. I still have glue stuck on my plastic turntable mat which is annoying.

i fake mixes using multitrack software, I record all the tracks individually first. if you actually want to blend though you can't do that, but I imagine there's mp3 DJ software that does let you do DJ type things.

I agree at some level and have taken second chance offers when I know I've been shill bid but at the same time it paints the dealer as shady and makes me reluctant about other things like the grading of the records. NOT that most second chance offers are from shill bidding. Lots of buyers really do flake out. It feels bad though when you've been super high and they have the only other super high bid and the rest of the bidders are very low. If you know your "true max" it's actually a little more than you want to pay, so if someone outbids you by a penny you're like "I didn't want to pay that much anyways" and not "I would have paid that extra penny." So in the case where you're shill bid to your max, it really is a little more than you wanted to pay.

you also get second chance offers from people that shill bid their auctions. You can see the ID of the high bidder. Search the bidder's bids to see what else they bid on and if it was all with that seller. One thing I noticed about shill bidding is that male dealers often use their wives' IDs to shill bid. if you search the high bidder in this case you'll see they bid on crap like dolls and purses and the only records they bid on are the one seller. If a seller has multiple copies it's usually (but not always) true that all the copies are mint or clean at least.

I thought tee jay was ted jarrett from memphis, not tee fletcher from atlanta

not after my non-glue cleaning...

you mean because I'm insane and obsessive or is there something I'm missing here? I don't understand all the "what toothbrush are you using" questions, is that a reference to something?

Hi. Sorry for the delay, but I finally got my radio show from a week ago online. It's an all-music show, and it's even a little longer than most of my other shows so I was able to play more songs. You can listen directly or download it by following this link: https://www.sittinginthepark.com/2-26-2012.mp3? If you are interested in any of my other music shows or interviews, you can go to the main page of my site: www.sittinginthepark.com thanks again for your interest, playlist follows. --- Moody and the Deltas - Everybody clap your hands - Daisy Clarence Reid - There'll come a day - Dial Shanteers - Take me back - Rori Royal Masters - Don't leave me this way - Guyden Robert Portee - Casanova - Diamond Barbara Jean and the Lyrics - Any two can play it - Big Hit Labrenda Ben - Just be yourself - Gordy Susan Maddox - My - Zanzi Niece Dezel - It doesn't matter - J+S Seekers - La la lover - Cougar Eric and the Vikings - It's too much for a man to take too long - Gordy Sly Slick and the Wicked - It's not easy - Paramount Phase Six - Cool Eye - Plush Jungle Rock - Life is a gamble - It's a thang Interlude - Promise - X-Vision GC Cameron - What it is, what it is - Mowest Devastating Affair - It's so sad - Motown Creative Source - Pass the feeling on - Polydor Ron Pryer - If you don't want my love - Shock Lenny Williams - Since I met you - Motown Future 2000 - She loves me - ROTR Passion - The spell is gone - York Solid Core - It takes time - Hitten' hard Ron Flood and Sundown - I don't wanna change you - Scorpio Cortez - Juicy - National thanks, Bob

as a side note, this record (the slow side I'm trying to get to play better) is awesome, deep spiritual sounding harmony. I always considered this group just an earth wind and fire copy group but the closest EWF thing I can think of is "keep your head to the sky" and I like this track better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RXEftIWZQU

Although it's almost the same, the ultrasonic clean seems to have made a slight difference. I have a few more things I haven't tried that I will try tomorrow, then I can post mp3 links if people care but they all sound pretty close.

OK because I'm stupid and obsessive, I am going to do the ultrasonic cleaner now even though I have to do something else and go to sleep. My friend swears by it and I never got it to do anything at all. I'm going to use a mix of water and then pour in some 91% isopropyl alcohol. I'm sure it will do nothing but maybe it will magically clean the other side that i didn't intend to touch.

it's better for it to not be as thick as that means it has less surface tension and can get into the grooves better. I think the wood particles are there to make it sandable (at least that's what it said on one of the many pages about glue I have read at this point). You definitely wouldn't want to put that on your record, it could scratch it up.

yes, I did peel it off in one piece but I threw it away so I can't take a picture of it. When you see those glue videos you do see the dirt and stuff on it. I already cleaned it really well before the glue so I didn't see anything on the peeled off layer. But I was trying to see if the glue could make a little bit more difference. I think that my cleaning techniques are the best already and glue won't help but it would be cool to be proven wrong in some cases.

also, i think i'll try the glue one more time (not on this record) but use a toothbrush to push the glue into the grooves. I think I could avoid the spillover and get the glue deeper into the grooves.

The ultimate result, btw, is that I recorded the unglued track and it's almost exactly the same as the pre-glue track. I can post mp3s and pics of the waveform. I decided that (even though it's pointless since I'm pretty sure it's not dirt but scratches causing the nosie) I am going to try several things and re-record at each step. Next step is the ultrasonic cleaner, I'm going to use some water mixed with isopropyl alcohol in it I scrubbed off the glue on the side I wasn't trying to glue so there's nothing visible, but it does play worse now which sucks.