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Anyone want a copy of Wayne Warren "hit on somebody's baby" on happy hooker? I got it in the mail today and it had a crack in it and when I went to the item to complain to the seller I saw that they mentioned the crack in their listing (so I just left them a positive feedback...). If someone wants this record I'll mail it to them (you could pay me shipping if you wanted to after you get it but it's not necessary). PM me. Would prefer it go to a southern soul fan (or a fan of this record) and especially don't want it to go to someone to resell. Thanks.

I doubt the lmnops are the same group as the unlimited four but I don't really know anything about either group. The JBP label is the same label as the Tee Vee label (the combined catalog numbers line up). When I bought LPs there was always this LP by some other "George Clinton" (the cover had an astronaut on it or something like that) that people would buy and get pissed off at.

Hi Phil, I don't know this record, is it R&B-ish or more soulish? Is there a good harmony ballad side? Thanks.

I never noticed that, will have to play them to compare. There are so many instances of soul songs being stolen from other records. That's not "the" James Brown that had that label by the way.

this is vinyl not styrene right? It's hard to cue burn a vinyl record. Also, I don't know how cue burn could cause a 20 second hiss, like someone repeatedly dropped the needle 20 seconds into the record and spun it back to the start multiple times? could be a pressing problem, or could be dirt.

Those reissues are just for the regular US buyers market, there are a bunch of barbara mason reissues too. "I really love you" was a hit for the ambassadors

I bet you I can get your post-glue records cleaner than the glue got them

I did use the right glue, white PVA glue. Someone else even posted that the yellow "Titebond II' recommended in the video destroyed his record. Try to keep up. I would be interested in the before / after pics comparing shampoo to sulfuric acid though.

that also gives records a weird shine that you can't get off

There is a much larger market for reissue 45s than the UK rare soul scene. Lots of random younger DJs or even collector types will go to the record store, see a new, cool sounding 45, and buy it. Those people don't care about "OVO" or the northern scene (for example, they might DJ at a bar and play a mix of reggae, soul, funk, psych, etc.). if that's the market for these records, of course the people reissuing them don't care about the relatively insular UK rare soul scene -- those people are not even necessarily aware of the scene. Also, if it's a legit reissue and the producers and writers are getting paid, the dealer's actions are less greedy than someone who would rather protect the sanctity of their scene (especially when a reissue probably does very little to the scene except give people something to bitch about) at the expense of the people who made the music getting paid.

Also, I would inspect any records you got from that dealer for an annoying weird / unnatural shine. I hate dealers who polish records or shine them and think they're so slick and nobody will notice... They're destroying the records in an attempt to trick people to getting higher profits.

My in-depth analysis of the glue method showed that it did not remove any more dirt than an effective cleaning without glue. Lighter fluid (assuming you don't mean Butane) is an organic solvent (Naphtha), I think that compound specifically gels up and will leave an annoying shiny coating on the record that is impossible to clean off. I'm sure there's some organic solvent that will get out some stuff that other cleaning methods won't, but I would be especially careful using it, especially on styrene. I melted the grooves of a styrene record with paint thinner once.

OK, here are my (unfortunate) results. For the mighty ryders record, it made very little difference after my initial thorough cleaning (which was my starting point). Here is a picture of all the stages, in order: as you can see, it looks like sometimes the crackles disappear a little or get lower, but not much. Here is the audio so you can listen: 1. ryders record after my regular thorough cleaning: https://www.divshare....ad/16975866-098 2. ryders record after doing a bunch more stuff to it but not gluing https://www.divshare....ad/16975871-11a 3. ryders record after first gluing https://www.divshare....ad/16975847-d22 4. ryders record after second gluing https://www.divshare....ad/16975852-9b7 Basically, the changes are almost indistinguishable. The one small change I notice is that all the crackles are still there but many are slightly quieter. But after I picked off the glue, I also gave it a thorough cleaning, so it might have been my repeated cleanings, and not the glue at all, that made the very slight changes. Additionally, now the other side of the record has some weird marks on it from me trying to get the spillover off of it. I was hoping the new days record would work much better, given that it was shorter (so it was not pressed at a low volume) and given that it just looked scuffed and not scratched. Here is the record before and after gluing: Here is audio after my initial thorough clean but before gluing: https://www.divshare....ad/16975817-064 Here is audio after my glue and re-cleaning https://www.divshare....ad/16975840-c1c Basically it made almost no difference (maybe some of the crackles are a little quieter). My personal conclusion is that if you know how to clean a record very well, gluing won't make any real difference, even in cases where the record is still playing noisy, for no discernible reason. There is one case where the record might be noisy that a regular cleaning won't fix -- a wet played record that has dried will leave sludge crusted at the bottom of the grooves that isn't cleanable with a regular cleaning. There will just be a loud hiss when playing the vinyl, even though it's not apparent what's causing it. I did not test the case whether gluing would pull the sludge out of a wet-played record. However, I already have my own way of fixing this problem so I personally wouldn't use glue in that case either. Before doing all these comparisons on the computer, I thought the gluing had made a big difference on the second record. I wanted to try gluing it again, working more on my technique, trying to get the glue as embedded in the grooves as possible. So I went to the pharmacy and went toothbrush shopping. I bought several different toothbrushes. The most promising one is this old man looking thing that has a super long head: Apparently it some old type of toothbrush that is actually called a "Dobson Large Head" toothbrush. I thought it would cover the record better and let me spread the glue in less time (before it dried). I was excited to try the Dobson Large Head toothbrush on the second record, as I thought the initial gluing helped some and that I could get it even cleaner with better technique. Unfortunately, the computer comparison showed little difference from the first gluing so it is not worth going further (and ruining some rare and expensive records btw). I guess it's possible I could have gotten something out of it with better technique but it seems unlikely. Also, I'm not saying you shouldn't use the glue, it probably will get a lot of dirt off that was there if you are not able to as thoroughly clean the record. But it's slow (you have to wait for the glue to dry), risky (you can get glue on the label, the other side, that is difficult to clean) so if you have a better cleaning technique you should rely on that first.

also, it's funny that Doris' initial writing her name all over the label faded somehow so she rewrote it even more on the label. so there's two layers of Dorises

I can't stop laughing at this listing, it's stupid for so many reasons https://www.ebay.com/itm/LEDGENDS-LEGENDS-45-NORTHERN-SOUL-R-B-RED-BALL-LABEL-CHICAGO-RARE-HTF-/150768775099?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item231a84efbb#ht_500wt_1416

also, there was that studio group chanson that did that nice cut "did you ever". obviously the word meant something to someone at some time.

I don't know anything about the group. Actually the chanson label is weird, as there are maybe multiple labels with that name in different parts of the country. That seems strange to me because it isn't a common name / reference (at least that I know of). I just googled "chanson" and it's some sort of french song or something... This chanson label was new jersey / all platinum affiliated. One thing vaguely amusing was that I was looking for "true love is hard to find" for years as I managed to collect the other two pretty easily. It was obnoxious because there was this huge ad in discoveries every month where the seller had a list of store stock he had, including that title. I wrote him like twice and never received a reply. Finally at a record show once there was a dealer that had some of the guy's stock and I bought it from that guy that one time, he only had one copy. I told the dealer to get more copies of the title from the guy and I would buy them but he never did. I wonder what happened to all that stock. Most of the other stuff was crap.

yeah, I was pretty much guessing / saying this too in my earlier post. I doubt they would react to the stupid hype flyers and letters though, given that every single thing came with them.

OK, they are cleaned and have been played. I think it did reduce the crackle on the second record, not sure if it helped on the first one. I will make recordings and post mp3 links and waveforms. I am going to do the glue one more time on these records because I feel that I'm finally figuring out my technique and that I can apply it better. I still don't understand why the second record is crackly as there's just scuffs and it's not pressed at a low volume like the first one. I do see some small edge of heat damage, but it's not making a heat damage noise, it's just sort of crackly.

OK, I know the suspense is killing everybody, but I finally pulled the glue off the records: It was sort of difficult to get the glue off and the first record has glue fingerprints on the back that I have to clean off. Anyways, I am going to clean the records before playing them because they are kind of fingerprinted and ugly now. I'm really excited to hear these but I have to take it slow to make sure I get the best sound possible, don't want to rush in and play these fingerprinted records with glue flakes on them. Actually, I don't think the glue will have worked as I'm very good at cleaning the records, which I did pre-glue, but I think there's a chance it might, especially on the shorter record. Will definitely report back!

again, there were 3 of them

what exactly is the role of the matchstick in this process?

runnier is better, it means there's less surface tension and will penetrate the grooves more. Although with the toothbrush maybe it's being pushed into the grooves already, I'm not sure. Plus there already has been some warnings in this thread about wood glue. If this works, next step: STYRENE

the rare one is really good.

the reason the one on the green cloth looks like that because it's already started to dry so the edges are actually covered by a clear layer of glue instead of the undried white glue