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I have a question about something Garethx said above (in 2009). He said that the other George Jackson was White. Is that true? I know there was an east coast George Jackson, the guy who recorded on Double R / Cameo (backed by the Jive Five) but never heard that he was White. Soul Harmony Singles says that he is also the guy on Mercury and that he was in the Plants on J&S. I don't think he was white.

I already told Kris this, but the second to last record is the Sparks on Della

for what it's worth express with tracking from the US to UK is now like $38. It's not "required" by paypal but paypal almost always sides with the buyer on claims unless you have a tracking number. Express gives you that. So I don't think the seller was trying to rip you off, he was trying to protect himself from chargebacks.

you are totally entitled to your opinion about what is acceptable on the northern soul scene. I have no authority to determine that. I was just pointing out that the northern scene isn't even the target market for most reissues (bootlegs are another matter). And that some issues of previously unissued material even get played on the scene. Ian Levine played the Renaldo Domino "unreleased" track that numero put out in his mix. What's funny is that now that it's been discovered that it was released, does that mean he violated the OVO rules? Are they enforced retroactively when earlier presses are discovered? If so, what sort of penalty does he face?

Steve's post was pretty funny (even if it wasn't intended that way). Is this a better post Steve? You should do a daily "top 5 posts" list. Then if someone says a post is good you can say "it didn't even make the top 5!" and yes, garethx's description of the william devaughn / sound gems setup was pretty excellent.

https://www.vulture.com/2011/03/charlie_sheen_glossary.html

The specific usage of it is. Maybe in the UK they didn't broadcast Charlie Sheen drug and whore binge news 24/7 but he referred to his actions as "winning" and that was a big running joke in the media.

yeah i'm glad i listened just for that. craig moerer only had 4 copies and i bought one of them...

OK, I just listened to the whole thing all the way through (at home -- I'm supposed to be asleep and have an early doctor's appointment). The first hour was the most enjoyable for me because it was the most soulish. I couldn't deal with the beach sounds and pop / rock sounds and some tracks (like that jaywalkers) sounded like straight hard rock. For some reason the podcast was weighted more and more toward those sounds as it went on. I did like two white things though: - that bobby ramp thing at the end was nice - I really liked that Prodigal Sons "Such a beautiful thing". But to me it's definitely not soul at all. I liked it because I like zombies style sunshine pop. I wouldn't play it as a soul record. I just googled it and it's even on people's sunshine pop blogs, comparing it to the free design. Three really good records I didn't know were: Eugene Gamble on Jetstream Freddie Williams - Name in Lights - Hollywood Barbara English on Aurora I just bit the bullet and bought the gamble and williams records from Craig Moerer as googling made it look like there weren't really other copies around and his prices weren't that much higher than the going rate. It's funny that I didn't know the Barbara English because Ian says "here's one that everyone will know." I guess it's because I don't know much about northern soul. It appears to be expensive so I'll wait for it on ebay... Also, I usually buy AVI records when I see them but didn't have that peggy scott and jo jo benson thing, it was decent. I sent the mix to Keni Rightout, lead on that Center Stage cut, hopefully he likes it. Here is some random additional information about some of the questions / things that came up in the mix: - the perfections on calgar is from milwaukee. one of the members later cut two singles as Harold on the Je Har label - renaldo domino "two years..." was supposedly an unreleased track until recently. It was pressed by the numero group on a replica "Sincere" label. But the numero group was pressing it, it never came out on the Sincere label back in the day. However, a copy recently turned up on a Twinight promo -- an original pressing from the early 70s. So it actually was released on the Twinight label, but it's super rare - the "parral" label that maurice jackson is on was partially owned by Clarence Ludd, who owned the High Chaparral (hence the name). There also were two Maurice Jacksons recording in Chicago, which is confusing, but this is the "Lucky fellow" and Independents guy. - There were two Sequins groups in LA. The renfro group's membership / discography is this: SEQUINS, THE (Los Angeles, CA) Ruth Davis, Lee Hill, Moddess King. Renfro 112 A Case Of Love / You're All I Need Renfro 113 That Boy / He's A Flirt Renfro 126 A Case Of Love / He's A Flirt (66) the A&M group's membership / discography is this: RIBBONS, THE (Los Angeles, CA) Vessie Simmons (lead), Arthetta Gibson, Lovie ? , Evelyn Doty. Marsh 202 Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya / My Baby Said (12/62) Marsh 203 This Is Our Melody / After Last Night (63) Gramo 107 Teach Me How To Dance (Each And Everybody) / I'd Like To Be (as Evelyn Doty & The Ribbons) (64) Parkway 912 They Played A Sad Song / Melodie D'Amour (64) (below as The Sequins) A&M 761 Who Says We Can't Jerk To The Old Time Blues? / I'll Be Satisfied (65) (below as The Sandpapers) Charger 114 Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya / My Baby Said (65) 117 Ain't Gonna Kiss Ya / My Baby Said (67) - not really information, but the last record by the Chantels -- you should flip it over, "I'm gonna win him back" is one of my favorite female group songs of all time. I play it next to Celestrals "Keep your hands off my baby", to me they have a similar vibe. Finally, I wanted to avoid nitpicking or being negative, but I have to say one negative thing. That Robert Plant record was AWFUL. He can't sing, and the whole production is a mess. It's also a cover of the Sharpees, which is an actually good track: This is not a personal attack, if you like it better, that's fine, different strokes for different folks. But to me it was one of the worst cuts in the whole mix. Finally, I think you (Ian) should enlist Pete's help in cleaning some of your records that played crackly. Thanks for making this interesting mix.

no the interviewer/author uses the "winning"

longenes was just on ebay, I'd never seen it before (you already know I have the other one).

I still have not been offered a copy. Is the problem that I'm not offering enough? Or are there actually not that many in circulation?

I had a double but traded it recently. Will see if the guy wants to sell it.

I don't think Bishop was looking to stop producing, at least not as early as '69. In my interview with Charles Russell (lead of the Image on Janus), he described how they moved to philly because Bishop explicitly wanted to produce them. He said that they were supposed to be the main male group and Honey and the Bees was his main female group he was producing. Barbara Mason was involved, she wrote a lot of the songs. That was all early '70s.

cool article... but I can't believe the author actually used a charlie sheen-ism: at one juncture, the impossibly winning phrase "your mama only got one titty and that's full of wine".

This is taking the topic more off track, but that reminded me about how I recently got an AMG press kit, it's pretty cool. That 5-song EP that shows up a lot is actually part of the press kit (which is why it's so common). Lots of artists from different cities had records on AMG (lots of Chicago records, one of the Puzzle People told me they advertised and set up at a local Holiday Inn and auditioned people). Everyone complains about paying them $2000 and getting ripped off. But if you read the pamphlet, they actually don't say that they are going to manufacture and distribute your songs to stores. Their whole thing was that they were industry insiders and they knew what "sound" would hit [obviously they were wrong] and they going to send the records to different program directors in certain critical markets and then follow up further if the records got picked up in those markets. So the records were never even supposed to be distributed to stores, they were just supposed to be distributed to radio stations (which I guess is why they are pretty rare). I'm pretty sure that they actually did do what they promised to do (distributed the records to stations), I've even had AMG records that had a reply comment card. I guess it was a "scam" in the sense that they told anybody that they could have a hit and took their $2000. I think their main focus was country music though, they may have had an actual hit country record. Also, the puzzle people told me that their song was played on american bandstand in some new song of the week type segment or something.

also, btw, I don't think the car had whitewalls

you have Charen Cotton on Art, same label the Beck Family was on, and it has a different b-side. Garethx, I totally didn't know that the label was run that way, awesome details. It makes sense given that they reused so many backing tracks. The second biggest hit they had btw was Spice on Sound Gems, it charted nationally. It's actually the Chicago Spice that's on Cle-An-Thair. Concept was their pop label. I got the Mark Jarjisian 45 the other day at a friend's house, he gave it to me for free. Not soul by any stretch, and I would think it's terrible, but I'm super psyched that it's an Armenian dude and enjoy the a-side at least (as a pop record, I really like light psychedelic pop, e.g. the poppy family). The b-side was so bad that the ethnicity couldn't excuse it though. I'm confused about one thing -- I didn't know Omega was their label. Almost all the Fred Mark 45s reuse tracks off of Virtue 45s. How would they get access to those tracks, they didn't run Virtue did they?

nice I will download and listen to the whole thing in my car today.

at least you were able to provide helpful, constructive feedback by eliminating etta james

i got annoyed at the introduction bragging about the "amazing 15 hours" of rare soul music and then saying the jones girls are from chicago and I stopped it (even though I do like that Jones girls song). EDIT: i skipped to the next song, eugene gamble on jetstream, really nice cut i haven't heard before. now the player crashed though.

The line is "sun roof top". I'm not sure, it's weird, it looked like the soft cover that goes over a convertible but I think it's not a convertible. They definitely had a gangster lean.

Two days ago I was driving and stopped at a stoplight at the near north side of Chicago. I'm looking at the traffic on the cross street and I see this pimped out caddy come by. It is painted like two slightly different shades of light blue / periwinkle and there's a bunch of blue felt all over parts of the car which made it look super-pimp. But most importantly it had the rear diamond shaped window. I can't believe I live in the city of pimps and have been looking for a diamond in the back for like 15 years and never seen one before.

interesting, thanks! I hope you become successful.

haha I do, however, recognize that people posting on an internet message board, are not necessarily representative of the real world.