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what is a "legalised boot" and how is that different than a legitimate reissue? Yes it was done for the northern scene, but if it was done by the label owner and he wholesaled it to other people, how is it a bootleg? Yes it's not an original press from the 60s, nobody is disputing that. Posts above gave evidence of it being a legitimate reissue and I said "that resolves that issue" and then I got the curt response "lets just stick to the fact its a boot bob....". Did I offend someone? Nowhere did I say that it was a 60s original and I got a rude response that contradicted all the posts above me that gave evidence of the specific question being asked. nobody said it should be worth more than $50 and nobody said that it was from the 60s. If it's a legit reissue it's not a "boot", according to the "facts".

we are not communicating well

I can't find a pic on the internet but the other apt label design has like an Apt logo with the yellow surrounded by black (or vice versa). it's a real apt label design. I haven't seen it on the choice of color, I say probably legit but much rarer.

DUPONTS, THE Marcus Edward "Killer" Cray and Howard Kenney, both later of The Persuaders; Michael David, Frank Joiner. Atlantic 2755 Stranger On The Shore / Stay For The Summer (8/70) Atco 6791 Hit Me With Music / Together (10/70) 6854 If You Do Love Me / Always Be My Baby (10/71) 6918 Cross My Heart / Why Don't You Fall In Love With Me (5/73)

he's asking about the early 70s group on Atco, not the doowop group

the question that got cleared up wasn't whether it was a real 60s record, it was just whether it was truly legitimate as claimed

I'm agreeing with your point about more collectors meaning higher prices. I'm just saying that there are so many records that in demand records will be very expensive and most other records won't be worth much as all those collectors are generally looking for the same few things.

supposedly legitimate reissues

it's different than stamp collecting and star wars as there are many different genres of records. I agree prices may go up in general due to demand but the demand will be for specific sounds, not every record will be worth money. a perfect example is looking at those old soul bowl sales list. Everyone is like "I could have had timeless legend for 8 pounds". What about the 95% of the other records that are the same price (which is less adjusted for inflation) or even less than they were 30 years ago?

there definitely still are Japanese collectors, not only older deep soul collectors but lots of the rare funk 45s are in younger people's collections over there. If you're looking for a specific funk 45, a Japanese funk collector is your best resource. And obviously there's LP collectors in different genres. Japanese collectors seem more conservative in bidding and (mostly) not stupid enough to go crazy for a 45 and bid ridiculous prices because it just sold for a ridiculous price or because someone else has it and they have to emulate that person. Waiting it out is the difference between being in it for the long run and building up knowledge versus just trying to be what's hip. If you buy good records (versus popular records), eventually the good records you bought will be popular. I don't understand the whole buy high - unable to sell later approach that people have. I think it's driven by DJ culture.

I don't know if it's legit or not but that is an alternate apt label design (if it is what I think you're describing) that appears on other records. The fully guaranteed 45 on apt came with both label designs.

I used to like it a lot, now I still like it but like their later pro-indie single better. I still need their earlier 45 if someone has one to sell.

there is an infatuations on poormans that is good (it might be on ebay now actually) there is a group called whitehead on poormans that is weird, it has a ballad side and a weird steppers side. i think the ballad side is cheesy but I know someone who likes it. I think there's one more thing I'm not thinking of. I think there are 12"s on the label too but I don't know much about that format.

i also hope the dee dee is better than this ruby winters, which is definitely not my thing ... it sounds like MOR pop, like Bette Midler or something.

thanks for the info. when I was googling for this cut the ruby winters would come up so I was wondering if it was the same, but i didn't go far enough to compare songwriters.

I never know is good btw, i will try to record it for you when i get a chance.

I doubt there is a connection to the Honey group, which was produced by Harvey Fuqua. It's sort of a generic name, but there was a Larry Wright in Collage on Solar/Constellation and one of the writers on the Honey single is named Larry Wright. it's possible it's the same person and there was a connection between the groups. Those youtube clips above don't remind me of the olympic runners or AWB, which is whiteboy funk, this album sounds more soulful to me.

if that's true, then willie hutch stole the song! I will try to look in copyright for the vashons song in copyright.

When I said there were four releases on the label I was thinking of the poormans label. There is a 45 on pro-indie by the infatuations who had a record on the poormans label and on one more label. That's why I got confused. However, the infatuations 45 is a real release and it also says "from the LP" but I don't collect LPs so I don't know if there's an infatuations LP on pro-indie.

thanks for all your help. I still don't know the third single you referred to. These are the ones I know EMI 557 - Love Burns / Turn it over (1978) EMI 566 - Body Talk / I never know can you give me the listing for the third single you keep referring to? thanks again.

that is a real label, there are like 4 other records on it that are really good early 80s harmony soul things

I agree with this in the sense that a lot of the traditional northern sounds sound foreign and unappealing to new, younger, collectors. I'm not talking about just the pop records but the pounding soul that might have sounded awesome in a club in the 70s sounds boring and repetitive to certain people's ears. I think that a lot of the records with this sound that don't have another side that appeals to younger collectors will go down in value.

yes, i will report back and make a recording when i get it. thanks.

Is this record "known", like known as a stepper or anything like that? It's not in any of the discographies I can find: https://cgi.ebay.com/...94#ht_500wt_907

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