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also i think dave brown sold his copy on ebay recently, i forgot what it went for, i somehow totally missed it

lew stanley had it on ebay once, that's the only one I've seen for sale and I don't have this yet either. I like how there's a different wants post for this record by someone else every week. The group members said they did a 2nd 45 but they don't have a copy and nobody else has ever seen it.

If I were set saleing the local press it I'd ask $100, it's so good and doesn't really turn up. I still need one of their other san francisco INS titles.

yeah, but this is the same discussion as this thread. I posted this thread as a follow up confirming info from the previous thread that the Cole label 45s are real. Steve said it was all discussed before, did people know about the existence of this Cole label 45 before? I assume it's even rarer than the orginal mixed emotions 45s because it was pressed, never distributed, and thrown away.

I never heard of the 1977 Cole press until Sami had it in auction. Do you have it Steve? Do you have a link to the thread where people talk about it? Thanks.

I don't disagree with the fact that they have not been honest in the past so it's hard to trust information that comes from them. Sorry again for being a jerk.

yeah this one is better. the other one is really rare and is northern though.

I think the price guides do a lot of what you say -- they end up setting the price rather than mirroring it.

They could have done a very small run, it could have been a test press. They could have thrown out most of the stock and only had a few stray file copies. This is actually the most likely explanation, as if you encounter producers this is what happened 95% of the time -- they don't see some future value in boxes and boxes of old records that are just taking up space. They are also very irrational. If not one of the above, who knows what their reasoning was? Either way, they just repressed the exact same record on a brown label and it looks like their other represses. It makes less sense to do that if they managed to do a run that looked like earlier presses and have quantity of it. Also, Gold of my Life is the b-side of this record, the a-side is "down and out", they might not even have considered it as the same record.

First of all I apologize for being a total asshole, that was not appropriate. I really don't think your observations are appropriate either (except the one that the cole family have lied and done shady things before, which has been proven true several times over) in that they are total speculation and are in total contradiction with more precise facts (and finding that the publishing matched a real publishing company in 1980 proves the opposite point). When people make up facts based on extremely loose speculation, and then post on the internet ("publish" them), it leads to confusion or misinformation that circulates quickly. For example, when people say one singer with the same first name from the same city is the same person as another person with the same first name only because of a vague similarity and no more evidence. I overreacted because it's a pet peeve of mine. Either way, it was totally inappropriate for me to be a dick to you in response. Again I'm sorry. p.s. If you had this record in your hands I think you would have no doubt as to its authenticity. If you want I'll send it to you to look at and post what you think here if you are willing to send it back.

I don't understand at all what point you are making about the publishing or the address. Additionally, this is a real publisher listed in a 1980 music guide: Sicmo Music 5709 Sierra Ave Richmond, CA 94805 Are you suggesting that he planned sometime before 1980 that in 2012 he would be issuing a record that needed an old publisher for credibility so he set up that company? Maybe he travelled back in time? The vinyl has exactly the qualities of an older pressing. It is totally different than the brown label record which *is* a new pressing of the cole 45 (both sides identical). If you saw the wear on the record (it's not heavy), it's not something that you could easily fake. So in addition to setting up the fake publishing company 22 years ago he also found a totally different pressing plant than he's using to press other records so that the vinyl will look like old vinyl (rather than the new moulded look on his new presses). And he figured out a way to simulate some light shop / sleeve / out of sleeve wear? And on top of that he repressed the record on a brown label with modern moulded vinyl? Why did he do that, was it part of his complicated plan to make it look like the older press which was really new was totally different?

I'll ship my copy to you to validate if you'd return it. No way is this a new pressing, and I don't think he could have faked the wear on this. I agree the pic makes it look suspicious (I was suspicious when Sami auctioned it) but it's definitely real if you see and hold it in real life.

It is not a new press. I got one and it's definitely a used record and an older record, it had some scuffs and surface scratches, etc.The vinyl is not the type of vinyl they are using for their newer presses. I'm guessing they pressed it and never distributed it at all, who knows how many they kept. I don't think they would have done the brown label repress that they just did if they had quantity on the original though.

yeah, that song is so good and the extra minute does add a lot. it's similar to the long version of the vanguards "somebody please" where it keeps on building up.

Hi, last Sunday I did a slightly shortened music show -- it was good (imo) though! You can listen directly at https://www.sittinginthepark.com/6-17-2012.mp3? You can listen to previous shows and interviews at my website www.sittinginthepark.com Thanks as always for your interest and playlist follows. Debs - Just another fool - Double L Blossoms - Lover boy - Reprise Gwen Owens - I'll be crying - Velgo Pat Clayton - Someone else's turn - Silver Top Barry White - All in the course of a day - Bronco Freddie Williams - Name in lights - Hollywood Chris Bartley - The feeling you give me - Vando Brad Stuart - I wouldn't mind - Sir Graham Len Wade - Whatcha gonna do - Dial Impalas - What should he do? - Bunky Carrie Riley and the Fascinations - Living in a lonesome house - Music City Charisma - Don't act surprised - Beauty Chicago Gangsters - Don't be gone - Gold Plate Vernon Steve Weakley - Let me be your secret lover - Omega Gino Washington - (Oh) I'll never leave you - Atac Terry Huff - Just not enough love - Mainstream Silent Majority - Frightened girl - Hot Wax Terry Callier - Ordinary Joe - Cadet Leroy Britton - Rain falls on Harlem - Sound thanks, Bob

also if the auction is too stupid and annoying to read. how hard would it have been for LITA to photoshop the labels so they are clean? Did they intentionally want them to look like that?

I think they're all orange, one is a yellowish orange and one is a deep orange. Mine is the lighter color, will try to dig it out and scan it

so did they really press the yellow label copies with the same plates much later? that's the thing I said would be weird, it is pretty rare to have usable plates much later. Maybe it's not the same plates and they weren't side-by-side enough for people to notice a difference?

I went to Johnny's house a couple of times, he was in the Babysitters (Baby Huey) he had incredible photos of the group, like a bunch were posing in front of an army tank. He passed away a couple years ago.

I think it's just because they needed something for the b-side and wanted to make it different than the first single somehow. it is the b-side. I just think it's funny that it has "strings" added when it's one person playing along on a violin.

also, on the "gold of my life" side, all they did was add one person playing out of tune violin over the track which is sort of funny.

Yes that's what I thought, but I was just saying that I also thought the gold label record they just pressed up never came out and now I have a 45 that is no doubt from 1977 as stated and that is identical to both sides. Andy nobody knew about it until recently. And back in the day they pressed so many things that who knows if the "am i imposing" was pressed but not distributed. However, you story about the remastering does add evidence that it was not pressed back in the day. My cole 45 and the brown reissue sound identical though.

john, i stopped following that thread, sorry. my friend has a lot of info on billy wells, he recently talked to either billy or someone closely associated with him (I can ask). You are right that it's the same ohio guy as on Sweet Soul. That florida Mercede label just hired him to write and produce for the label. I'm not sure how he got onto Carla but I can ask my friend.

the one on the local san francisco INS label is like a minute longer FYI

I think the message you get when you are blocked explicitly is slightly different