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Yeah I have no idea what the group name means, I'd assume it was the name of the lead singer, maybe Willie Jones was just a member of the 21st but didn't sing lead or maybe there was some other story. The Spellbinders are from new jersey, i doubt it would have anything to do with them. Thanks.

I didn't even "spot" it so much as hear it, I didn't even pull out the Joy 45s to compare. It sounds like exactly the same group, not just the same lead, but that is obviously an assumption on my part. Is Dave Thorley or other frequent detroiters in contact with Willie Jones or any members of the 21st to get more info? Thanks for everyone's help already. Thanks.

There is a lot of volatility in the R&B market, as there really isn't a guide with accurate current values, and stuff becomes "hot" and shoots up in value quickly and other things go down. I think $50 for a mint copy is a reasonable price, it's not common (and it's rarer than certain other supposedly rare records like lucky laws on lu-cee).

thanks for the info, the soul king record is a Ron Murphy thing? I only have the metros and one other thing on the label, didn't realize he did more. any way you can post audio through soundcloud? i would love to hear it. thanks a lot.

thanks. but that is the lineup of the royal jokers. willie jones was in both groups. they weren't the same group as the 21st. the royal jokers lineup also changed several times. i would like to know the lineup of the 21st. thanks.

This is hard to find but I don't think I'd sell it for more than $50 for a clean copy. However, I have no understanding of the R&B market so someone else feel free to correct me. I was at JR Johnson's house years ago. He's the same guy who recorded as Jay R Johnson on Hawk. His first record was a 50s record on some chicago R&B label, it was under a different name and I totally forget what it was. His cousin was Menard Rogers.

Does anyone have any info on this singer or group? I don't recognize the names on the record. The reason I'm asking is that I got it a week ago and it's been bothering me that it sounds *exactly* like another group with a distinctive lead, and even the backup sounds familiar. Just now I finally remembered, it sounds exactly like the 21st on Joy. I looked up the publishing in a book and it goes to a Charles Johnson in Detroit. I think the lead has to be the same lead as the 21st (who is Willie Jones, previously of the Royal Jokers), if not the entire group. Does anyone have any more specific info? Like the 21st records, this record is really good. I wonder if the lead or entire group did anything in the years in between the 21st records and the mcarthur record.

yeah, what is the name / number, it's hard to see?

In my neighborhood there is a mormon church a few blocks from me. I guess adolescents (boys at least) have to do "missionary" work when they are around 18. So lots of times you see kids in dress pants, dress shirts, and a tie riding bicycles in pairs on the street, finding another block to knock on doors. Some "funk" proponents should organize something like that and knock on pete's door a lot.

I don't think you can tell it's the first take. Lots of times people kept messing with their mix, etc., and a later press could be rarer (doesn't mean later like years later, could be a week later). Are there any clues in the dead wax that would say which was first?

not "northern soul" but the original post wasn't that explicit. Three records that got me really into the chicago sound: Notations - I'm still here Chymes - My baby's gone away Ledgends - Something to remember you by / Gotta let you go

hey robb, look at page one, you also answered the question in february.

whoa I never knew this specific variation, thanks for pointing it out. I need to get the green one now. Are they the same length, just a different vocal take? Are there other differences? there are tons of examples of this. for example, the green label copy of lashawn collins have some extra bells / chimes added. another one is that the two label variations of the Si-Berians on Ricardo are totally different mixes, the vocals are more upfront on the version with the darker orange label and larger, cruder logo. It always amazing me how the rarest records that exist often have multiple pressings with slight differences.

that is a totally reasonable price, i have one somewhere i was going to dig out and ask a little bit more for (not much more though).

the best o'jays video I've seen is the soul train one where they're with Cholly Atkins and he's going over choreography with them and then it cuts to them performing on soul train in crazy suits singing and doing all the steps. Plus I think it was "Got to give the people".

One funny thing in this thread is people calling funk records "dirges". Really, are they "dirges"? You might think they suck but unless someone is playing maggot brain or something similar, that doesn't make any sense.

I have no idea, sorry, but that acetate label looks cool, i have never seen that

maybe they're dancing against it and not to it, trying to survive while the record continues to play

wasn't mr. c the name of big daddy kane's DJ?

if he had previously documented the contents of his collection (e.g. for insurance purposes) and the records purchased on ebay closely matched the contents, that is a way of providing evidence at least that they were his records. however, i wouldn't just give them to him on his word, I would wait until I was legally ordered to do so. Also, it does seem suspicious that he would find the buyer of his records a year after the auction happened. How did he find out the information that the original poster won those records? I think it's probably good advice if you only have a box or two of 45s to make a video of yourself flipping through your records, like the ones pete posted a few times.

yeah but it also sounds like yakity sax

that rules

I didn't fall into any "trap", the other side is slower but still has a beat and is danceable. I do like the a-side of the mystiques better but i didn't say so in the thread because it's not a dance record.

the other side ("girl you've changed") is way better imo

girls definitely are way too jive nowadays