John Benson

Even though in the article she clearly states that she chose the name. For some reason I had it in my mind that it was her (then) surname at the time?

I'm wondering where I could have read this now - or did I just dream it? 

As we're not really any further to a definitive answer to our original question, I thought I'd go back to one of the comments made on page 3 about how popular or well promoted it was in the Soul magazines when the Demon LP was released.

It's not surprising then that it went almost unseen!

 

 

Record Corner ad - B&S 542 & also 544  - Aug / Sept 89

 

 

Rick Scott - B&S 543 - Sept 89

 

 

Steve Hobbs - B&S 544 & also in 545 - Sept & Oct 89

 

Anyone fancy going back to 1974 / '75 and see if any of the mags have a mention of it there? - somehow I'd be surprised if there was anything.... but you never know do you? 

46 minutes ago, Jason S said:

Yes, I was thinking this - unless the article was written before he got an original copy??

As I wrote, the article was printed around 2003, the interview being done the year before that (it says so in the article).

Which was why I thought it odd he wouldn't mention it - unless Mr Dewhirst didn't actually sell it to him until after that date!  

I've not long since been looking through that interview that Colin Dilnot did with Sandra which was mentioned earlier - In The Basement 32. (Around 2003)

As already said, Sandra had no involvement or even any knowledge of the Demon release prior to a number of people saying to her that they had copies of it, but this wasn't until a few years after it was released.

More to the point, at no point does Colin mention the existence of an earlier copy of it, let alone owning one - I find it odd that he wouldn't have at least mentioned something about it, even if he only said a test pressing exists of it but not mentioned it was his. But as I don't know him that well, I couldn't ever be certain of this.

I guess we could do with someone currently in touch with him to ask the question 

3 hours ago, Mike Lofthouse said:

Anyone dug out the Blues & Soul's/Black Music's from the time - always listed new releases at the time........

Mike, I was hoping someone may have done this by now.

I suppose I'll be having to go up into the loft to see for myself as mine are all 'archived' up there!

Just to add to my earlier comment of when I first got to hear about the LP, I found the tape with the tracks on and I've got written on the case September 1989. So short of hunting through numerous mags from that year, I haven't a clue what month it actually came out on Demon - does anyone know? 

Obviously earlier than September!

10 hours ago, Mike Lofthouse said:

Out of interest when were the album only tracks played out on the scene  ?  immediately after the Demon release in '89 ? or were tracks made available and circulated previously?

I can't recall  its reception on release but was it obvious then it was a gem?     

I have to say that I don't recall hearing any of it played out after the Demon release, but I 'got wind' of it via my buddy Sean Hampsey who did me a tape with most of the tracks on it. It wasn't very old at that time, weeks or maybe a few months, I can't remember!

I picked up my own copy shortly afterwards from a local record shop. I don't recall there being any big 'buzz' going around about it either and can't recall where Sean got to know about it - maybe he'll remind me when he reads this?

After all, it was 'only' around 26 - 27 years back! 

While it's hard to believe that no one has ever mentioned the existence of this LP before - it's not totally impossible for one or two people to own a copy that aren't active on the current soul scene. Although I think Ian's Colin Dilnot theory would have been heard of by someone before now.

Take the Darrell Banks London 45 as a recent example... Who would have thought that existed!

Like most reading this thread, I'm eagerly awaiting more developments on this 

Can't say as I've heard that one Sean - but that doesn't mean much! 

I'm sure someone else will know something about this.

Unless I'm missing something, the first one has no vocals, so you can only compare the tune - not the songs!

That aside, yes the tunes are similar but not the same.

Paul Burton gets my vote every time though 

If I happen to come across two copies, I'll let you know!

This was definitely getting plays as Wigan opened in late '73 and the Solid Rock copies were around the record bar around the same time. I'm fairly sure it got plays at The Torch too?

Well, I have to say that I was only aware of Candy Bowman existing on a 45 - I have it on a UK copy but the others I only knew as being on LPs. You learn something new all the time...

Good luck in your quest!

Well at least the mystery is now a little bit clearer! Although the source isn't - not yet anyway.

I may be putting two and two together, but the mention of the Willie Tee Gatur '45' had me wondering as a certain well known person mentioned it numerous times on one of his recent 'podcasts'. I thought it odd that someone would mention it in such a casual manner. Yet I'd never come across any other mention of it until yesterday on this thread, and the words 'Soul Pack'..... I wonder if I'm thinking about the same person?

Regarding BIEM - I've a Dells 45 on Italian Cadet with that on.

A quick Google search shows this:

Judging by the lack of comments since the programme, I guess it didn't impress anyone?

I just listened to it via a recording I did on the Sky box.... 

As I said on the earlier thread about this, back in September - I do find it odd that someone would go to the trouble of pressing this up on a 45. It's never been popular enough to warrant it in my opinion.

But it isn't unheard of for singles to be taken from LPs 4 years or so after the album came out,so you never know.

Plus as I also mentioned, by the time this record is suspected to have been released - 1973, Ray Charles had started his own label 'Crossover' so you may think it would have got released on that. Unless ABC had the rights to it and not Ray.

Of course this is all speculation until we get confirmation from someone else who can verify that copies do really exist!

By the way Steve G, I got that same 'picture' bag with an unplayed copy of Neal Kimble 

It'll probably get 'discovered' a few more times yet - before it's finally a known of 45 

Hopefully most of us on here will have turned one up by them eh.... or maybe not 

Yes, it's a lovely find indeed!

As you haven't actually said if you've compared it to Gwen Owens yet, here's the track so you can rule it out or not. Whatever the case may be!

https://youtu.be/_iypsbc5fkw

That's correct, but I didn't see any need to mention that. 

I was just pointing out the similarities between the title and a singer called Gwen...

Gwen Owens did "Still true to you" on Velgo.

Can't say as I know of this title by Gwen Davis?

I've got most of the Al Hudson Atco 45s, including both of these.

I'd already got "We must make it happen" when I came across it well over 15 years back, so bought it blind - just out of curiosity.

Just going through the notes on Discogs for this release number, it mentions the two B sides, plus that the copies with "When I'm loving you" on were credited to Al Hudson & The Soul Partners. But the ones with "We must make it happen" on are only credited to  Al Hudson.

I can't say as I'd noticed that, so will have to check my copies! 

Can't say as I've come across a copy Sean. The A side is very much like Phil Upchurch "You can't sit down"

I guess it's the other side you're more interested in?

I'll keep an eye open for you...

Also, this might be obvious, but if you are struggling to find a date for a particular record, look for records on the same label with release numbers as close to yours. If you get some with dates on either side (ish) then you'll not be far off. 

There was a thread about it early on this year Derek, have a wade through it and you might find something of interest: https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/331455-record-store-day-2015/

Yes, a memory record for me also. First heard in the Highland room and at the time thought it was great!

Picked up shortly afterwards at Cleethorpes and the like, to get even more plays for a time before vanishing for another song to take it's place!

Not so much a fave now though, I still have my copy but never think to listen to it these days. I did know about the Adrissi Brothers involvement and that they were in fact a group, not a person. Which could well have swayed my feelings away from it just a little...