John Benson

No idea Dave, but I have also wondered about that one!

Surely it's logical to say the first release was the lower number - #924 and the other release came out later? I seem to recall it was the 'B' side on both the US releases. Whereas on the UK copy it was the official 'A' side. Also the Flip side of this release is "Malibu" which is the same as on the UK Cameo Parkway release, (not) coincidentally also sharing the same release number - P 924 See this link for scans of both sides of the UK release: https://www.45cat.com/record/p924 I think this just about answers Bob's questions...

Nice to find out there are US issues of this one - I only seem to come across the demos of the A side. Also I haven't come across the paper label UK copies - yet, just the blue ones: Speaking of 'blue' - I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 'other' version of this song by Shades of Blu, with a slightly different title of "Bella mi" For those who have yet to hear it, it's not quite in the league of Maxine Brown, but not a bad effort I suppose. The flip side being a version of Sandra Richardson's "Waiting for the last goodbye" on Dellwood.

There's nothing in Mr M's book 5 other than the Le Cam 630 release. But there is also one on Soft 1023 credited to Sonny & Phyllis with "Love, love, love" on the flip side. Could you be thinking of this one? I've got the Le Cam release but I'm not aware of any boots, but that does't mean much - specially when mine was a market stall find during the 80's or thereabouts. I could find it out and post a scan if anyone wants to compare it. I seem to recall it is a sort of duet song anyway, with a male vocalist singing as well as Phyllis

I think if you have a closer look at them both Steve, you may see they are different release numbers, along with a different flip side. PSR 45,011 is Dee Dee Warwick "Get out of my life" / "Funny how we change places" - released in 1974 PSR 45,033 is Dede Warwick "This time may be the last time" / "Funny how we change places" - released in 1975 UK release: PVT 13 is Dee Dee Warwick "Get out of my life" / "Funny how we change places" - released in 1975 Saying that I've just come across this one, also on PSR 45,011: Yes, it's very confusing isn't it...!

Here's the US 7" It was also released in the UK by the way, I have it on a UK Arista 7"

Thanks (as always) Zane! I had to work today so will listen to it later

You obviously didn't hear Nolan Porter get numerous spins at Samanthas in Sheffield in the 70's by John Vincent then as that's when I first became aware of it... and naturally picked the album up promptly! Deon Jackson, I didn't get to know about until the early 80's, courtesy of Mr Hampsey... and naturally... etc.!

Mine was from down that basement in Manchester - around 2 - 3 quid. Oh yes, Goldmine Records, that's the place, they must have had a few copies in as my mate Kev Briscoe told me about it at the time.

Here's the UK first issue promo:

Great thread so far guys, I always like to hear a mixture of things soulful and the rare groove / two step sound is included. I probably first came across the terms during the 80's but wasn't really sure of what sounds go with what - still not really, it's all 'just soul' to me! As the music started to get more and more 'widespread', I started to notice DJ playlists in the mags such as Blues and Soul, Echoes etc. Some I already recognised, some I didn't - which prompted me to start digging through my collection and find them out. Of course I was pleasantly surprised when I found I'd already got quite a few, others I did find while out looking for records and picked up on the strength of the playlists and the ones I already knew and liked. I also used to listen to the shows on Sheffield Community radio - a pirate station as I recall and did hear a lot of this played at certain times (thanks for the reminder Geordie!) I've no idea who played the music on these shows, but I did hear lots of then unknown things that I liked, along with things I used to hear Richard Searling play on his radio show in Sheffield during the early 80's. Also I followed that thread on the Soul 24-7 forum, and attemped to compile a list of the recommendations mentioned, never did make a proper listing though, although I still have a lot of points from the thread saved. Agreed though, these days a lot of the music from these 'scenes' seem to have crossed over into others - not a bad thing in my opinion either. I always think if it's good, then play it, never mind the 'box' it has to go in. But I think I'm probably in a minority on that way of thinking... I don't know how relevant this is, but I spotted someone selling some rare groove CDs on ebay last year and traced them back to most likely this site: https://www.raresoulgrooves.com/store/ There's lots of titles listed on there to go through as examples of what this is about. Cheers!

Wasn't there a bootleg of this 45 done also? I seem to remember being told this at some time.

Tell us more then Mick, I only know of the CD album and also it's on a 5 track CD single: Shero single & instrum./What Goes Around../Dreamin'/If It Ain't One Thing.., Southside... . So what's also on the 45 then?

Surprisingly, I picked this CD up in the early to mid 90's and the tracks that stood out for me are: What goes around comes around Shero Dreamin' Hold on! I'm coming to save you Always had a soft spot for the General

I've just 'found' these on my pc - I knew they were somewhere! A later 'Old Farts' flyer - the 12th one from 2002: New Year's Eve at the Phoenix 1998:

Sorry Martin, can't help you with either one, but just thought I'd point out that I'd say the Ernie Johnson side you want is the A side... judging from the big star on the label... Which would make 'Dreams...' the B side.

Just played it, it doesn't sound like Lou at all

Just download the sound file as per the link on the auction page

I've got one of those Steve Mancha UK Columbia 45s "It's all over the grapevine" - one side plays "Ba Ba Bank robbery" by EAV but it has the correct Steve Mancha labels on both sides. I forget if it's the vocal or instrumental side of Steve's which is missing... Also, I have a copy of the Adorables "Ooh boy" on Golden World, which actually plays the Four Tops "Ain't that love" / "Lonely summer" (Columbia re-issue from 1965)