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On 25/02/2024 at 03:05, soulbrother61 said:
Did yous all know Steven Collazo on lead vocal later become lead singer with Odyssey
Sorry, you've got the wrong guy, Steven wasn't with We The People, it was Billy McEachern who joined Odyssey
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10 hours ago, Rick Scott said:
Always thought was a great song and was covered by numerous other Artists
with different variations of Lyrics and title.
Gordon Waller - I was boy (when you needed a man) (Bell USA & UK) '69
Billie Shields - I was a boy (when you needed a man) (Harbour USA) '69
Bobby Hebb Cadet - I was a boy (when you needed a man) (Checker USA) '72
Maybe more out there but these are ones i am aware of.
Here's a few more Rick, can't speak for all of them, but the one I heard wasn't anything special:
John Rowles - I was a boy (CBS Australia & NZ, Philips Australia) 1970
Michael Allen - I Was A Boy When You Needed A Man (USA 1970)
Marakis - Mais Pou Qui, Mais Pourquoi = I Was A Boy When You Needed A Man (CBS France 1970)
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Speaking of getting mileage out of a song, she recorded "Your love was good for me" quite a few times, from the Federal release through about 3 King releases - this is one of them: King 6202
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Sad news indeed, It was only a few weeks ago when I was told that he was ill and now in end of life care.
I only knew him to speak to a few short years, but did communicate with him online from time to time.
RIP and thoughts going out to Helen and the family.
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Mine came from Tandy in Doncaster about 1975 - 76 when they were importing lots of cut out LPs from the states. I won't mention the price as it was much less than a pound...
As Chalky says, from the photos, it certainly looks like a 'proper' copy!
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Mine says May 2006, making it only 16 and a half ish years, but before that I was on Rare Soul Forum, was that also Soul Talk?
Before that was Greg Tormo's email based list on Topica and Majordomo, around the mid 90's onwards which contained many people whom I'm still in touch with today.
Doesn't time fly!
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I seem to recall Paul Capon bought copies of the Black & Blue 45, including a number of white test pressings from Duke Hall in the 90s.
Maybe he can elaborate on this?
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I think that a lot of these alternate / slightly different takes sometimes come about by pure accident. The UK label requests the tapes for a particular track and someone in the US record label tape store just pulls out a tape with the song title on, probably not aware that it's a different take.
Some of these differences took years to become 'known' by the collectors over here (or anywhere else). Pre internet, things like this were mostly word of mouth and not always common knowledge.
Another to add to this is the UK London release of Chubby Checker's "You just don't know"
I've never heard it mentioned that that release is sightly different from the Cameo Parkway release.
The drumming on the London release is way more up front in the mix, almost dominating the recording.
Whether it's a mastering thing or a different take, I'm not sure, but it's definitely different.
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On 07/10/2021 at 10:58, Pep said:
I had the very first Glories and second Duke Browner off my friend Nigel Martin from Harlow. He was originally from Stourbridge and we went to the same school. I lent it to Alan S to play a couple of times at the Cats but the Cats DJs wouldn't pay my price so I sold it to Keith Minshull, along with the Duke Browner.
Maybe just a coincidence, but in early 1974 I bought a Duke Browner from Keith, it wasn't all that long after those dark red bootlegs appeared, so I assumed he was just getting rid of his copy (as they did in those days).
I wonder if that was the same copy Pep sold him?
If so, I still have it after all those years!
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9 hours ago, Ian Williams said:
Hi John, I’ve got a copy of this one on this label, what a great song, has it proven tough to acquire?
Hi Ian, no it didn't really, but I just dropped on it rather than actually searching for it!
But on saying that, since then I haven't been taking notice how often it turns up. -
I agree with the theory that it's unlikely that someone went to the trouble to create a fake B side and use those writer credits too.
But it would be even better if someone could come up with the record - better still if we can get to hear it!
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1 hour ago, Ian Dewhirst said:
Yep. Andy Lett contacted him as a result of the previous S.S. thread which I've just re-read. The 'B' side song was written by his wife under her maiden name, Michelle White:-
Yes, I spotted the comment that Ray made after reading that thread again earlier today.
Only I didn't connect her name with the one on the label as we were thinking it was a man's name!
So, are we to assume Michelle White used the name Bill?
It's not likely to be her middle name now is it
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10 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:
I thought i'd seen something about it before it's in this thread:
Yep, as I suggested, it was already thought of then!
What do I know... I also contributed to that thread as well, over 5 years back
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Probably already thought of, but is anyone in contact with Ray Dahrouge?
Maybe that would shed some light on the flip side, if one really exists at all
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On 11/12/2020 at 14:15, Stevie Frear said:
Ita only on 12" UK not 45
Yes Stevie, we have discussed this since then, it would appear that I was wrong. When I went to look for it in my collection, it turned out to be the USA copy!
Up to now there's only 3 people on Discogs showing they have a copy - you and I are two of them!
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On 13/06/2020 at 19:56, Pep said:
This is a confusing one!
Have a promo of the Bell Sound edition, without any scratching out and matrix ZTSC 97700. It is slightly quieter than the other edition. Not sure which came first chronologically. Labels are reversed but deadwax matrix 97700 matches the one printed on the label, albeit the label says "What Did I Do Wrong"! (I said it was confusing).
The other is a regular mauve issue of the Nashville edition, with ZTSC 97699 both in the deadwax and on the label. The #97699 is crossed through on the flip only and replaced by 97700.
Accordingly the deadwax Matrix numbers differ on each edition, being 97700 for "DLMOB" on the Bell Sound edition (promo in my case), and 97699 for "DLMOB" on the Nashville mastered edition. So a mastering lab identification cock up at the very minimum! ...
On 13/06/2020 at 19:56, Pep said:Anyway, hope that helps although it could only add to the confusion! Lol.
Just spotted this after not long since adding the Bell Sound promo to Discogs.
My copy, which I bought in the early to mid 80s also plays the wrong sides but confusingly, as Pep says, the matrix numbers match the labels.
Which to my mind also suggests a mastering mistake, not just the labels being on the wrong sides (As some people tend to say)
I've just added a note to the Discogs entry to try and explain this - it's not easy!
Anyway, more to the point, I got wondering, as not all the promo copies are 'reversed' - do any issue copies exist like this, or was it discovered at the promo stage and corrected for releases?
Mr Manship's latest guide has lots of the variants listed, but I couldn't see this one mentioned...
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2 hours ago, Rick Cooper said:
I can't find it now but I've seen a full page advert for One Wonderful Moment in Billboard magazine online archives promoting it as a new release. I don't think it had a photo of the group, maybe some clever person could find it and post it .
The link above is for the Billboard review for One Wonderful Moment. I found the advert in the 5th August 1967 edition of Billboard but can't work out how to separate it from the rest of magazine.
Here you go, the review itself plus part of the page with it on to give it some context.
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5 minutes ago, Alan T said:
Grandson of Hoagy Lands
Indeed!
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2 hours ago, Richard said:
Just In Case - Jaheim
I'm sure lots of you will be aware that this was and still is around on quite a few 12" singles - still sounds good though!
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I've come across a few random USA singles with a solid centre (not those from other countries). But I just assumed they missed the dinking press for whatever reason.
Maybe for quality control inspection purposes, I never really found out for sure.
They don't have any promo markings as you might expect if they were intended for DJs, radio or clubs.
But it's an interesting subject for the anorak types among us!
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J McHugh is actually Jimmy McHugh - going by the stamp on this label.
What makes you think the name is Janice?
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On 14/04/2019 at 11:20, Magpie69 said:
Ray Slater was a big pal of Kath's first husband, Roger Jackson. Lived on East Bawtry Road. Apparently a lovely guy.
Before he got working there, Ray and a few others used to go up Sheffield on a Saturday night and me and some mates used to meet up with him.
I bet I haven't seen or heard of him since the late 70's.
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Yes Ed, it's Gordon - There's quite a few others on the photos that are no longer with us, Bub of course , Terry Lambert in the middle two with the pinky red jumper & Neil Griffiths in the last one with the jacket and tie, just right of centre.
Scary isn't it!
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On 14/04/2019 at 01:22, polyvelts said:
is this the same “keeping up with the Joneses” Billy Proctor ?
Both the Epic and the Soul 45s have the same writers 'G. Knight - G. Allan'
So it's a good guess it's the same person - I always assumed it is, for what it's worth!
We The People - Making My Daydream Real
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Well, either Richard got it wrong, or you misheard him.
Yes, he is the current lead singer with Odyssey, but he wasn't ever in We The People.
Steven (as far as I can tell) was only in his teens when he joined his mother Lillian Lopez in the group Odyssey in 1979 and at that time he wasn't on stage singing.