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Dukeofburgundy, That's a fair summing up. I think what frustrates some , is the fact that the BBC ( having made a big splash about NS) didn't use some qualified people to explain the history of Soul Music both here and the USA, and how that translated into 1,000s of 45s being introduced to the UK and building upon an underground club scene, rather than things like interviewing " Northern Soul LEGEND" Lorraine Silver. But the music was enjoyable.

The Music was very good. however,If they don't get the facts right, the piece loses credibility. Daily Mail did a recent s**t raking story on Man United Director of Football John Murtough ( Fair enough, however the photo attached to the piece was the CEO Richard Arnold. So if they can't get that right, you take the story with a ton of salt.

Sunday 10 Sept Show inc Sammy Ward, Eddie Holland, Valerie Simpson, Four Tops and more https://podcast.canstream.co.uk/manchesterfm/index.php?id=49755

Charles credited RS with being a Wheel DJ I think....will that go down in ( BBC folklore?)

The Casino must have had wide doors... The various sections on the bbc6 show were about the venue and the records....The Casino bit was all about RW

The Casino must have had wide doors...

So RW "discovered" " There's a ghost in my house". I'm sure many people in the UK like myself " discovered " it in the UK in 1968 via Motown Memories vol 2

Wed 6/9 show Track list above https://podcast.canstream.co.uk/manchesterfm/index.php?cat=The Soulful Shack

soulfu! shack Wed 6/9. Nmfm 106.6 Some gremlins with voice links so a track list below BET YOU NEVER THOUGHT - GENE CHANDLER 2 HEY - BARBARA MERCER 3 YOU'RE TOO GOOD FOR ME BABY - SILKY HARGREAVES 4 NO STRANGER TO LOVE - INEZ & CHARLIE FOXX 5 FACE UP TO THE TRUTH - DORIS TROY 6 RAINING TEARDROPS - DEMURES 7 WHY DDID I LIE - PLAYERS 8 I'LL MAKE YOU HAPPY - TOMMY HUNT 9 NEVER TRUST A STRANGER - TONI HARPER 10 YOU BETTER GET HIP GIRL - KENNY CARTER 11 WHERE IS THE LOVE - WHISPERS 12 CHECK YOURSELF - DUPREES 13 DON'T LEAVE ME BABY - MAXINE BROWN 14 HOW'S YOUR NEW LOVE TREATING YOU - DEBONAIRES 15 WHERE THERE'S SMOKE THERE'S FIRE - JOHNNIE TAYLOR 16 THIS THING CALLLED LOVE - DANNY WAGNER 17 AIN'T NOTHING YOU CAN DO - JOE MATTHEWS 18 YOU'RE GONNA MISS A GOOD THING - JOHN BOWIE 19 TAKE A GIANT STEP - PROFILES 20 SOUL SERENADE - MIKE COTTON SOUND

Leading up to HDH leaving Motown, it strikes me that the mid-late 1967 period of tracks produced, shows that Eddie Holland had, basically, gone on strike. He was pushing for a move, talking to rival companies. No new songs were being written. HDH were probably contractually obliged to produce product, so it looks like Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier had to re-hash old songs to cover this. Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier produced these covers in various artists from mid 1967 to the end of 1967. Of course Motown/HDH recorded covers of their songs virtually from Day 1, but there was new material being written...lyrics usually from Eddie. There seems to be a view that the "work to rule"" was led by Eddie, and perhaps Brian and Lamont were not so forceful or keen to push the issue. Eventually, of course, they followed suit. Helpless This Old Heart of mine Where did you go Just one last look Take me in your arms [[rock me a little while) I'll turn to stone...see above I like everything about you Come see about me Ask any girl Can I get a witness Heaven must have sent you There are probabally more...any views??

Re Motown...Norman Whitfield , he re-tooled his songs a lot, spread around various artists. Unusually ,on this song he cut it twice on Gladys Knight..1966 ( Everybody needs love lp) and 1969 ( Nitty Gritty lp)....completely different arrangements. Also, according to DFTMC, Gladys' version was first...before The Temptations in 1967.

Many thanks The Yank. Interesting....never knew about another "Originals"

Hello, hope somebody can help me identify a cover version of The Temptations song "Ain't no sun since you've been gone" ( other versions of this tune include Gladys Knight, the Supremes, Chuck Jackson, Dusty Springfield, etc. This is a male version, group, quite a good stab at it I think. NOT the Dynamics,. Mid tempo item . On the old tape I had, it was given the name "Originals" but clearly isn't the Motown Originals. Thanks for any help

Sunday 3 Sept. https://podcast.canstream.co.uk/manchesterfm/index.php?id=49692

I quite like " The slow fizz".

Didn't know that Brown's had other venues until the previius post. Sounds like a similar experience.

Wed 30 August show https://podcast.canstream.co.uk/manchesterfm/index.php?id=49658 inc Bunny Sigler, Oscar Toney jr, Whispers, Bobby Baskerville, Howard Tate and more.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/readers-memories-of-the-old-moston-co-op-969080 a piece about Brown's , Moston

Julianb That makes sense, as the column refers to possible closure. So 12 December 1970 visit, closure late January 1971. I remember getting my B&S no. 50 and I recognised some of the people in the photos. Thank you

Found the issue date..January 1971, which was a couple of weeks before closure. His visit was probably late 1970. That ties in with my memory of going there, but I'm not aware if he was there when I was . I probably would not have known if was the case