Mick Holdsworth

Well the copy I saw was in the early nineties, I don't know if the book had been updated by then. I was as John Pughs house and he had the book there. If John sees this then hopefully he can clear it up, although as you say, it is all academic as there is no RT113 full stop.

Yep, sure you're right, I was just trying to suggest a possible reason for the reference to exist in the first place. I had never heard of it prior to SD reference, so I wonder where it originally came from.

The only reference I have ever seen to RT113 is ... Fantastic Four "Can't Stop Looking For My Baby" (Vocal) / (Instrumental) ... in the Sharon Davis book from the 90's So it would appear that Ric-Tic "thought" about this release enough to document it, but that was probably as far as it went before the number was even mastered (although a GW acetate would not be competely out of the question - maybe - one can hope) Shame that when the Fantastic Four was released on it's later number, the Instrumental was dropped. Cheers Mick

I was quite amazed at the Home Of The Blues mag at £500 - The bidding didn't finish until about 7:20pm, giving 100 minutes of extra time. Is that a record?

I think the issues are the talking track after a session, and the demos are the Moonlight Music inst. I always thought that all copies without the address played the wrong song, and the only way to get the correct song was to get the copies that are labelled New York at the bottom. However, I am not sure this is right as I found an Issue copy on ebay a while back, WITHOUT the New York address, playing Moonlight Music (The scan only showed the A side "Adam" without the address, it is possible the B side had an address though. As I didn't buy it, I can't be sure) Any Demos that I have seen has always been Moonlight Music, with the New York address. Cheers Mick

Just gone there, and it found the Willie Mitchell info before the YouTube file even began to load, let alone play. Is it just making an intelligent guess based on title, and happened to get it right ? Cheers Mick

Don't know about the orig, but the reissue is about £8.00 - I have 2 on my site if anyone is interested. Cheers Mick

Ah, that makes sense. I'd sold mine by early '83, so it could very well be the same copy. When I lost track of Chris, he was still living at his parents, i never went to his flat. I really speak to him and I'll add that to my little list of things to ask, just under Royal Esquires. Last time I spoke to Chris was 2 years ago, just after Max died. There's a few other records in previous posts that I have no knowledge of him owning. Frank B on Rouser is one. - He must have got it in 84 or later. Cheers Mick

Will have to run that by him. It could be he picked it up after I lost interest about '83 or so. I tend to forget that Chris was still involved with big records for 12/18 months after I lost interest, so some of these things could have been at that time, 83/84 possibly 85, rather than the very early 80's which is the period I remember better. Cheers Mick

Turned out to be easy to replace soon after, It was one of the records that John Anderson had loads of, although regretted the £50 I paid.

I meant he didn't have it, although it appears I'm probably wrong - I wonder if i sold it to him. ? Can you remember when you got it from him. I had mine from Sam about the time of the Grapevine release, but sold it around 83. Could be Chris got one after me, or even mine. Cheers Mick

Just PM'd you his email. I can remember a lot of his stuff from that era, as we sort of bought / collected together. I'm sure he never had "Royal Esquires" at the time, I know I wanted it badly, and I didn't succeed in my attempts to get it and would have remembered if he got it. I remember he had 2 copies of Al Williams, both the Labeat issue varients, but Not Lester Tipton or Main Change either. (we would occasionally share records if either of us were DJ'ing somewhere and Main Change was definately one of those, Probably Lester Tipton too if he played it out in those days, but I can't remember lending him that specifically. I know I lent Chris the second copy (at the time) of Larry Houston - spend some time. I got it back and then left it in my car during one of the hottest days in the summer. The result was inevitable. Cheers Mick

NRBQ - The Same Old Thing - from '78 ... https://youtu.be/VJ5FQz9e3BY Cheers Mick

There's loads on eBay, just look for the artist - From the scan, they look identical to the real release from 10 or so years ago. cheers Mick

Could be Trev, I may have got my decades mixed up. In fact just remembered at the time he played it to me first, it WAS the early/mid 80's. We were going to some Soul do in Norton, Stourbridge on a regular basis at the time, and I was selling Scooter type records, which for me could only be 84/85. He played GI Joe there on more than one occasion. I'll modify my original post. Even with my miscalculation, it is clear that Domar's copy wasn't the first at the time, as Dave Thorley has pointed out with his and Guy's copies in the late 70's. Cheers Mick

First time I heard this was back in the early eighties - Richard Domar had it. He seemed to think (rightly or wrongly) that it was the only copy in the UK at the time. I also seem to think that he had had it a few years before, so his ownership could go back earlier. As to the song, on hearing it, I was quite happy to not hear it again, didn't appeal to me at all. Think his copy went to someone like Tim Brown, or could have been Guy Hennegan. I did start looking for it with the new fangled "Internet", purely in the hope of getting it cheap and selling it on for a profit. I saw a copy on Bay a fair few years ago, but at the time I only had a dial-up connection and I miss-timed my last minute bid (I had to go in 15 seconds from the end and that would usually get in with 2 - 5 seconds spare - but not this time). I can't remember if anyone else won it, or if it was $100 dollars at the end, so it may not be the same one Boba was talking about, as I seem to think it was more like ten or twelve years ago, rather than six. Cheers Mick Just changed 90's to 80's - Mick

Also the intro is screwed up on Stardust. It seems to start randomly about 5 or 6 seconds into the song. I was very surprised Kent never put this out at the time (or since). I thought it to be the best track on that first RCA CD - which is a lot since the other tracks were so good. Cheers Mick

Both the Yesteyear and the red vinyl Motown are the same as each other (just that the timing on the Yesteyear is wrong). These are the normal "as released" version, but with the talk-in intro. There is, however, a version with the Talk-in intro AND a longer version of the song, complete with sax break. This is the Purple Collectable release, which uses the same numbering system (447) as Yesteryear, but is a different recording. This long version appreared on the Motown Chartbusters Lp, albeit without the Talk-in intro. So that's 4 versions, of which 3 are on 45's Cheers Mick

So is this available now, of are they some advance copies? Mine was orderded through Amazon - I was thinking it would be due about Tue / Wed - Or should I have had it by now ? Cheers Mick

He (Clayton) was aware as soon as I told him, but probably not before he aquired it. There was a third party involved. I lent out the record and that person (a good friend) who in turn went and "Sold It" to T Clayton. For five or six months I hounded my friend for it's return, and was fobbed off each time with this story or that excuse. Quite by accident I bumped into Clayton at Nottingham Oddfellows in Leicester, ended up talking about it and he said "I bought that off ... five months ago." With the cat out the bag my friend had nowhere to turn, confessed, and gave me £40 back (more than I had paid - I gave £15 plus an issue, worth about £15 at the time). OK, I would rather have had the record than the £30 I gave, or even the £40 I recieved back, but at least it was resolved and I wasn't out of pocket in the end. Cheers mick

Dave - I have all SIX records by Jon on UK Philips - Only the song in question has any interest to the Northern Scene. I had what was assumed at the time to be the only copy of the demo - It came from Nev Wherry's collection after his death. I had it knicked about six months later and it ended up in Tony Claytons box. eBay has brought to light a few copies over the years - One copy was smashed in the post on it's way to me ... and was immediately replaced witt the sellers own copy (Thanks to Mick Smith for that) - I have found 2 further demo copies since then. It's still a rare demo. Many more copies of Darrell Banks / Timi Yuro etc. but nowwhere near the value. Cheers Mick

Chris - Sent you a small order cheers Mick

I wouldn't recomend framing records of any value, especially those with light coloured labels. About 1982/3 I bought a small batch of three Stateside demos of Jimmy James / A Man Like Me, all different label variations. I framed them and had them up on various walls for nearly 30 years. About 18 months ago I needed to get to them to do scans for a post on here, and noticed that the labels had began to fade (I only noticed because I had put each of the records inside sleeves, and the edges hadn't faded, giving an odd looking contrast). Here's one of the three, other Two were thes same, although this looks to be the most faded ... OK, so these are after 30 years and not that bad, and hardly irreplaceable. Imagine if it were the 4 Demos of Darrell Banks, or The F word on Soul. I suppose if you can keep it out of any sunlight and they were just black and white labels, you should be OK. Cheers Mick

] Steve, I seem to remember Iain Stewart had SS's records for sale in the early/mid eighties. Apparently when he either listed them or just priced them up, the prices were all to cock, lots of ridiculous bargains went out (Stanley Mitchell for £5 stuck in my mind, but there would have been loads more). I don't know the quantity of records involved, I never saw them, only heard about a week after everyone else had. It may have been SS's complete collection, or just a small portion. Also,.this may have been at a later time than the 500 box you saw, so I may be talking about a completely seperate occasion. Best I can remember, it would be about 82/83. Can't be more than a year either side though. Cheers Mick

Sam's copy isn't covered up - It says J May - I Won't Hurt You - on the label Cheers Mick