Chris L

Meethinks he got Ian L into Northern.

Just had an exchange of mails between me and an Ebay seller, no mention if record boot or not, I asked his answer : Hi there, this looks like one of those 70s re-issues, is that so , The original will be in styrene with z nr stamped in run-out ? thanks ---------------- hi Chris-Thanks- Yes i have had a few asking for the number in the deadwax but if it was an original I think I would be asking for more than I am. Its got ZCSC 121599 SCRATCHED NOT STAMPED in the deadwax.Regards J ---------------- if you know it's a re-issue, you really should say so................... ---------------- Appreciate your advice but I have been had over a few times.i am not a dealer and when I started selling my collection off I had a few people contacting me telling me about deadwax,monarch numbers,reisues,originals etc and I didnt have a clue what they were on about.An example was I put on a Tobi LARK record for £4.50 and would have been happy at that-it went for over £200 but have been told I could have got £400.The ones in the know are obviously giving out wrong info about stryene/vinyl re-issues etc and I take your point but I honestly dont know if it is original reissue second pressing etc.You tell me this record is a reissue and offer say a tenner and I would say ok,then you would be laughing cos its actally worth a grand.At the end of the day I have northern soul records that I dont play anymore and want someone else to enjoy but not to take the p out of me to make a profit cos thats NOT whats its all about or is it!!!! --------------------------- So the moral is if any seller of any record doesn't actually specify it's an original you really must ask. BTW Ebay decided in my favour for that Vibrations single I got a full refund and I hadn't even returned it !!!! SWONS or wot ?

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You can say, reproduction, re-issue, 2nd issue, even non-original, etc. but NOT bootleg or counterfeit.

Yes and no, I think, although I'm not really sure, it would depend. Chris

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Exactly................who can tell the difference, one is a boot, which one though ? here's the story : I got record saw it was a 70s re-issue and asked for my money back, this is what happened. Seller The record was not stated as an original on the auction but just the label and the condition. If the buyer had any doubts, then he should have asked before placing a bid Me You sold this item knowing that is was a bootleg but deliberately did not mention that, that is fraudulent." Seller Be careful with what you are saying. You bought a record from me April 2009 and tried fraudulent actions with paypal. To my credit i won the case. Me I posted negative feedback “Items was bootleg, avoid” Seller You have been reported for misuse of the feedback system and furthermore I will report the case to paypal of fraudulent actions of missuse of the buyer protection system Me The fact of the matter is that you knowingly placed a bootleg, counterfeit item for sale without describing it as such, that is fraud Seller is from Germany : ID is ‘grundehrlich!’ and had 95.2% positive feedback. here’s some feedbacks for this seller : Artikel defekt,obwohl ohne Schäden inseriert.Nicht zu empfehlen!! Not in description about the nameplates attached which glue left scratch marks record was listed as stock copy but was a boot Not as advertised, worthless item, seller refuses refund, avoid All this info is in the public arena and not confidential, a tragedy but I guess you do almost every time ask “Is it an original ?” – go scammers !!!

let's have a little test then, here are 3 records, how many are boots ? how many original ? 1, 2 or all 3 ? 1. 2. 3.

So what you're saying is that is the seller knows it's a bootleg he/she can put it up for sale and say nothing knowing that most people will assume it's an original and if the buyer doesn't ask that specific question, well tough sh*t then ? You must be kidding ?

Just had a similar incident and seller says "I never said it was an original" yes of course that's true he never said it was a bootleg either

Yes meethinks too.............

Got a record today "Gonna get along without you" by the Vibrations, it's shiny vinyl with a shiny moulded label, zsp is scratched in run-out, looks like a boot ? What do you think ?

It's been a long time now but if I remember the story, SiSou just walked in off the streets to Capitol studios and bullshitted his way into getting a bunch of blank labels.

Original. They have the credits above the red part of label, boots have it part on the red bit.

Boot

an original

Also on the "boots" the vinyl is thicker, very chunky, where as the original it's fairly thin.

Yes it is.

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Thanks for posting the issue haven't seen one for yonks, hope it sells.