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Well it was worth 4 figures..... Rich

CSTA was looking for a Joe Sutton recently - HERE Rich

I can't remember the author - John ? (Sorry if your on here!) but this was a list of greatest 100 soul lps written for Voices way back when. Slightly different to the original - List courtesy of the Southern Soul Yahoo group (where I C&P'd it). Obviously slanted towards the southern states but as blummin as good a place to start as any! 100 - Otis Redding - 'Dictionary Of Soul' - Stax, 1966 99 - Jimmy Hughes - Why Not Tonight - Atlantic, 1967 98 - Jerry Butler - The Iceman Cometh - Mercury, 1968 97 - Jerry Butler - Ice On Ice - Mercury, 1969 96 - Howard Tate - Get It While You Can - Verve, 1967 95 - Aretha Franklin - Aretha Now - Atlantic, 1968 94 - Modulations - It's Rough Out Here - Buddah, 1975 93 - Luther Ingram - If Loving You Is Wrong - KoKo, 1972 92 - Wilson Pickett - The Sound Of... - Atlantic, 1967 91 - Soul Children - Soul Children - Stax, 1969 90 - Z.Z. Hill - Let's Make A Deal - Columbia, 1978 89 - Percy Sledge - Blue Night - Virgin, 1994 88 - Ruby Andrews - Ruby - Goldwax, 1993 87 - Curtis Mayfield - There's No Place Like America Today - Curtom, 1975 86 - Players - He'll Be Back - Minit, 1969 85 - Irma Thomas - In Between Tears - Fungus, 1973 84 - David Porter - Sweat And love - Enterprise, 1973 83 - Bobby Bland - Two Steps From The Blues - Duke, 1961 82 - New Birth - Coming Together - RCA, 1972 81 - Irma Thomas - Wish Someone Would Care - Imperial, 1964 80 - Bunny Sigler - Keep Smilin' - Philadelphia International, 1974 79 - Curtis Mayfield - Superfly - Curtom, 1972 78 - Delfonics - Delfonics - Philly Groove, 1970 77 - Four Mints - Gently Down Your Stream - Cap-Soul, 1973 76 - Linda Jones - Hypnotized - Loma, 1967 75 - Bobby Womack - Womagic - MCA, 1986 74 - Ted Taylor - You Can Dig It - Ronn, 1967 73 - O'Jays - Family Reunion - Philadelphia International 72 - Etta James - The Right Time - Elektra, 1992 71 - Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On - Tamla, 1973 70 - Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul - Atlantic, 1968 69 - Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes - To Be True - Philadelphia International, 1975 68 - D.J. Rogers - On The Road Again - RCA, 1976 67 - Wilson Pickett - The Wicked Pickett - Atlantic, 1966 66 - Percy Sledge - Take Time To Know Her - Atlantic, 1968 65 - Aretha Franklin - Young, Gifted & Black - Atlantic, 1972 64 - John Edwards - Life, Love And Living - Cotillion, 1976 63 - Ann Peebles - Part Time Love - Hi 62 - Bobby Womack - Poet II - Beverly Glen, 1984 61 - Eddie Hinton - Very Extremely Dangerous - Capricorn, 1978 60 - Nolan Porter - Nolan - ABC, 1972 59 - Temptations - Sky's the Limit - Gordy, 1971 58 - Ethics - Ethics - Love, 1969 57 - Latimore - Good Time Man - Malaco, 1985 56 - James Carr - A Man Needs A Woman - Goldwax, 1968 55 - Anna King - Back To Soul - Smash, 1964 54 - James Govan - I'm In Need - Broadway Sound, 1987 53 - Arthur Alexander - Lonely Just Like Me - Elektra, 1991 52 - Dan Penn - Do Right Man - Sire, 1994 51 - Soul Children - Genesis - Stax, 1972 50 - James Brown - I got the feelin' - King, 1968 49 - Luther Ingram - Do You Love Somebody - KoKo, 1977 48 - Manhattans - There's No Me Without You - Columbia, 1973 47 - Shirley Brown - Woman To Woman - Truth, 1974 46 - Garnet Mimms - Cry Baby And 11 Other Hits - United Artists, 1963 45 - War - The World Is A Ghetto - united Artists, 1972 44 - Clarence Carter - Loneliness & Temptation - ABC, 1975 43 - Ann Sexton - The Beginning - Sound Stage 7, 1977 42 - Mitty Collier - Shades Of A Genius - Chess, 1964 41 - Donny Hathaway - Live - Atco, 1972 40 - Al Green - Call Me - Hi, 1973 39 - Paul Kelly - Dirt - Warner Bros, 1972 38 - Bill Withers - Still Bill - Sussex, 1972 37 - Dorothy Moore - Feel The Love - Malaco, 1990 36 - Solomon Burke - Proud Mary - Bell, 1969 35 - Millie Jackson - Still Caught Up - Spring, 1975 34 - Johnny Adams - After All The Love Is Gone - Ariola, 1978 33 - Bobby Womack - Understanding - United Artists, 1972 32 - James Carr - You Got My Mind Messed Up - Goldwax, 1968 31 - Dells & Dramatics - Dells Vs Dramatics - Cadet, 1974 30 - Soul Children - Friction - Stax, 1974 29 - Al Green - Explores Your Mind - Hi, 1974 28 - Impressions - People Get Ready - ABC, 1965 27 - Bobby Womack - Home Is Where The Heart Is - Columbia, 1976 26 - Dells - There Is - Cadet, 1968 25 - Doris Duke - I'm A Loser - Canyon, 1970 24 - Impressions - This Is My Country - Curtom, 1968 23 - Miracles - Going To A Go-Go - Tamla, 1965 22 - Al Green - I'm Still In Love With You - Hi, 1972 21 - Candi Staton - Stand By Your Man - Fame, 1970 20 - Gene Chandler - The Girl Don't Care - Brunswick, 1967 19 - Candi Staton - I'm Just A Prisoner - Fame, 1970 18 - O.V. Wright - A Nickel, A Nail & The Ace Of Spades - Backbeat, 1972 17 - Sam Dees - The Show Must Go On - Atlantic, 1975 16 - Bill Withers - Live At Carnegie Hall - Sussex, 1973 15 - Temptations - Temptin' Temptations - Gordy, 1965 14 - Sly & the Family Stone - Stand - Epic, 1969 13 - Swamp Dogg - Have You Heard This Story ?- Island, 1974 12 - Millie Jackson - Caught Up - Spring, 1974 11 - Jimmy Lewis - Totally Involved - Hotlanta, 1974 10 - Don Covay - Super Dude 1 - Mercury, 1973 9 - Temptations - Sing Smokey - Gordy, 1965 8 - Al Green - Gets Next To You - Hi, 1971 7 - Paul Kelly - Hooked, Hogtied And Collared - Warner Bros, 1974 6 - Sly & the Family Stone - There's A Riot Going On - Epic, 1971 5 - Etta James - Tell Mama - Cadet, 1968 4 - Marvin Gaye - What's Going On - Tamla, 1971 3 - Swamp Dogg - Total Destruction To Your Mind - Canyon, 1970 2 - Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved A Man - Atlantic, 1967 1 - Paul Kelly - Don't Burn Me - Warner Bros, 1973

Try Rod @ Voices. Has Gunning For Love cheap. Voices Rich

Agree Mr H 100% of the way. Shep - Like you I've been paying a whole ot more attention to LP's lately and for me ( a very PO) stick the LP on and listen to it to its entirety. It was made for that and nothing else. All the above mentioned and so many more are essential - Ebay throws up some amazing bargains but they tend to diddle you on P&P. the last record fair I went to I bought approx 25 Lp's for about £40 from one general dealer. Gladys Knight / William Bell / Persuaders / Blue Magic / Pickett / etc etc. What a joy to sit sipping wine on a sunday afternoon listening to these. get SunnySoul on here - He'll tell ya! Rich

DOH! Rich

Nearly Ted. Rich

Hey Soulmag.. I'm not privy to information that you obviously are (and I did say I hope I was right in assuming he didn't have a pile) And if YOUR right then hey I'm too trusting. However I wouldn't spend (or couldn't) that amount of money on a 45 recorded within the curved walls of a tin bath! But there is always hearsay/conjecture whenever this type of 45 crops up and without solid evidence at the moment we're all right if you get what I mean. I know a pretty true fact/fictional story about one dealer sitting on a BIG pile of a certain 45 which regulary fetches between £250 - £400 and I see this 45 on sale on a regular basis - Now if I was to mention said 45 and dealer I would get slayed in public AND threatened by some form of legal action as has happened to someone I know before. Yet you (and I mean anyone or a lot of ppl on here) would back up and lick the a** of said person if he/she retaliated. Brad's not doing any sort of the thing here so in god (read: rare detroit 45s ) i trust. Rich

Hindsight is a wonderful thing in collecting - I remember reading reviews from Mark Bicknell about Clara Hardy and how he wouldn't let it go for less than a grand... but he enthused so much about the disc and how much he loved it THAT was the reason why he wouldn't want to let it go at that time Personally - And I hope I'm right - I dont think there's a stack of Lester Tiptons' sat at said dealers house. Those sort of finds are becoming less and less in this multi digital/worldwide market and ebay has more or less been the start point. Thats not to say - and dont forget this - that main / big dealers themselves are/maybe sitting on a good few copies of in-demanders / rarities yet they get no stick whatsoever. It's in their business interests to let one or two go at times. On the flipside - how many records (over the years) have been looked at as common/cheap yet here we are in 2008 craving and looking for supposed 'old time cheapies/mid price' 45s? I recall buying Delegates Of Soul twice for £40 (albeit a lot of money at the time circa 90/91) but it was nowhere near the rarity of a Lester Tipton. Yet what is the price now? Copies always sell whatever the price - We moan and grumble about the price but they always sell! As they will on the Lester 45s. Lastly re. La Beat 45s - It's oft been said that most of the stock was water damaged / chucked away. For a non-selling non hit 45 it may be worth remembering ( I hope ) Rich

Yes Mark that was the one - 2 bids and to be honest I thought it would have gone for more. Mint too. Agree with Baz - Minters / In-demanders do seem to fetch the book money even on ebay at times. Think its difficult to put a value on a sub £50 record thats not very well known or in vogue (say some group / sweet / deep stuff -which to be honest is where the bargains lay for me) There's so much difference on price as to who/where. Take the Eddie & Ernie on Jayboy. £300+ on JM auction - One on here a week later for £125. . . . Crazy world! Totally agree with the ebay hammering on here - You do take a chance at times but the plus' far outweigh the negatives in my experience (touch wood) Rich

... And probably one of THE very best arguments for playing unissued/first issued (whatever the year of issue) recordings on the rare soul scene. 'Rare' as in totally unissued and not for the work of Francis / Paul Mooney/ Garry Cape et al we wouldn't even bloody hear the things let alone someone sticking their neck out and putting their money where their mouth is. Rich

Forget 'book' price - It doesn't exist. If I put records up for sale at 'book' price I'd probably never sell a stick - Yet pride myself on having a collection 'worth' thousands... Whose 'book' ?? John Manships? Tim's? You get people on here all the time quoting book price (and I have done this myself in the fact of pointing out main dealer prices) yet never sell it or them. Surely book price is wrong?? There are bargains to be had everywhere - Just look at some of the stuff being sold on here. Ebay? Yes you take your chances sometimes with some sellers but in my careful experience you can get some bloody great records out there for peanuts. Just picked up a Jimmy Braswell on Jar-Val for £20. . . . Knockout record (both sides) and for me knocks ten tons of s*** out of a lot of 'big' records. But thats my take on the type of records I buy and I probably don't buy in-vouge genres or 45s but I get what I like at great prices. As Baz 'whooped & hollered' - he got some great records cheap! Thats the point IMHO - great records at great prices whatever the record and whatever the price! Buy at what you think is a great price for a 45 which you will love and cherish and gaze longily at for many years to come. Rich

I suppose its a an acquired disc - I'm not sure that its really well known? I never saw any for a long time then a few crop up. Would have thought with more interest in uptempo R&B type discs this would have flown! Mad piano player!!! Anyone got a clip? Rich Clip On This Popsike Listing

Love this 45 Harry! I first heard this on a amazing tape off John Powney years ago. I always thought it was 'Little' Tony Clarke. Anyway.. great great 45. Have been a few through ebay over the last couple of years - various prices. No more than ton? Absolute storming track. His first 45? Rich

Was it 'I Gave It All Up' on Clown? Rich

Guitar Red - £25/£30? Gwen Owens - £10? Grover Mitchell - £15? Depends on where you look really. BTW Grover Mitchell .... What a fabulous deep 45! Highly recc. to anyone. Rich

Where would Bill Dennis' Shrine 45 come into play? Don't think there's many copies?? Never seen one for sale either. Love it though! Rich

Actually discussed before! Saw Zerben Hicks' name and I thought we'd mentioned this before. HERE AND!! HERE! Would make a mighty mighty fine discography - I haven't read 'There's That Beat' but there was mention of an in-depth article proposed for the mag. Rich

I would hazard a guess the Memphis Black Gold & Detroit Black Gold are totally un-related. The memphis early / mid 60s was one which had a mix of country / R&B (See scan) and obviously a lot earlier. The other a division/dist. of NYC label (As Baz stated). I'm guessing that there were quite a few 'Black Gold' labels across the states. Obviously detroit connections on the 'treasure' design - Ronnie Shannon - Paul Riser - come up on song/production credits. Ronnie Shannon owned???? Below 3 label designs of the detroit connected label. I do have a discog. somewhere but not sure how complete it is. I'll look. But not related to this one (Memphis)

Quick check on JM & Moerer.. UK numbering seems to make sense - 19501 / 02 / 03 But the Us numbering system seems to be all over the place prefixing 76### 77### 78## doubt there were that many releases! Might have a (uncomplete) one on the Pc at home John. Rich

I read in a Soul Up North (I think) someone was offered that - Have seen one go thru ebay for less but who knows? Doesn't turn up much at all. What I do know is that I phoned R.Domar once when he listed it in his catalogue for a fiver and it had gone.... Rich

How long has this been 'known' ? Obviously a lot of 45s mentioned are 'established' rarities - What of the new/recent rarities - difficult to guage in some respects but with the worldwide market I would have thought there's a fair few. The above track tho - F***** superb IMO. As Chalky mentioned earlier ' Trade My Soul' E Williams.. Ranks as one of my all times that one. Cant be more than a few surely? Rich

Last Tee Fletcher on Popsike went through at $56 - LIttle Jewel (Tayster) seen about £100? Gone up a fair bit in the last year or so but would have thought you'd get one cheaper. Mamselles - £100 demo / £150 Issue?? Think the issue is harder -looking at prices on popsike (obviosuly not written in stone these things) Rich

From Chicago originally according to Wikipedia. I've always assumed they're the same group. And what a group! Rich

Afternoon all. I can answer PM's but I'm not at the PC all day (This isn't my day job! I Wish!) - Rich Can all enquiries please go to Rod at Voices - All contact details below: Lots of rare northern added to our GEMM site as well as the usual quality 70s/80s Modern/Deep/Sweet/Group 45s. Some quality bargains and rarities throughout our sites. >>Email<< Voices Website GEMM New titles added to our GEMM & Website weekly - Some highlights & new titles include: Kelly & The Soul Explosions - Talkin About My Babys' Love (Dynamite) Arthur Freeman - You Got Me Uptight (Jumbo) Horace Bailey - Cool Monkey (Delene) Bill Brandon/Lorraine Johnson - Full Time Groover (Moonsong) Bobby Reed - Time Is Right For Love (Bell Promo) Milton Campbell - Someone (Zoom) Charades - I Don't Want To Lose You (MGM Promo) Rex Garvin - Searchin' (Saber) Ed Crook - That's Alright (Tri-Sound) Maxine Davis - Another Man (Guyden) Charles Dixon - One Of These Days (El-Tee) Donald Lee Richardson - You Got Me In The Palm Of Your Hand (Soulville) The Fads - Problem Is (Mercury Promo) Jimmy Gilford - Heartbreaker (Wheelsville) The Glories - I Worship You Baby (Date Promo) Major Harris - Just Love Me (Okeh Promo) Helene Smith - You Got To Be A Man (Deep City) Imperial Wonders - Just A Dream (Day-Wood) Jack Montgomery - Do You Believe It / Dearly Beloved (Scepter) Joyce Kennedy - I'm A Good Girl (Blue Rock) ...And many many more. >> Forthcoming / New Titles In << LR Superstars - Just Cant Say it 12" LR Superstars - LP Charles Montgomery - I dont think The Side Show - Lonely Girl Theryl - Seperate Rooms OT Sykes - Stone Crush on you Gift of Dreams - I found a lover The Main Attraction - That's the way I feel Harvey Scales - Spend the night forever Bill - Space Lady Ike Noble - We got to hold on to ourselves Frankie Gearing - Spinning Top Gloria Jay "Know what you want" Pep Brown " I am the on who needs you" Demo (vinyl fine but writing on label) New list out very soon - Contact Voices or see website for details - Thanks for looking. Rich Voies From The Shadows.